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Across the River: Town Hall: A Community Dialogue
Transcript For Segment 6

HEDRICK SMITH: HELLO AGAIN, I'M HEDRICK SMITH. WELCOME BACK TO ACROSS THE RIVER. WE'RE BACK IN ANACOSTIA AGAIN, TONIGHT AT THE CHURCH OF OUR LADY OF PERPETUAL HELP, FOR A UNIQUE COMMUNITY DIALOG.

IN THE LAST HOUR YOU SAW PEOPLE OVERCOMING THE ODDS AND REVIVING THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. IN THE NEXT HOUR, YOU'LL SEE THAT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. IN FACT, WE FOUND MANY MORE GOOD STORIES EAST OF THE ANACOSTIA RIVER THAN WE COULD POSSIBLY FIT INTO ONE HOUR: THE JOB TRAINING AND PLACMENT PROGRAM RUN BY THE SOUTHEAST CLUST; THE ANNUAL UNIFEST AND THE YOUTH PROGRAMS AT UNION TEMPLE BAPTIST CHURCH; THE TENANTS COUNCIL AT TRENTON PARK HOUSING, AND MANY MORE.

WE ENDED THAT FIRST HOUR WITH A VITAL QUESTION FOR THE PEOPLE OF WASHINGTON: WILL THESE URBAN HEROES REMAIN ISOLATED ISLANDS OR WILL THE WIDER COMMUNITY SUPPORT THEM AND EXPAND THEIR CIRCLE OF SUCCESS? THAT'S OUR TOPIC IN THE NEXT HOUR, IN A UNIQUE DIALOG BRINGING TOGETHER DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AND CIVIC LEADERS, MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA AND COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS FROM WARDS 6, 7 AND 8.

MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE ARE GATHERED HERE IN THIS CHURCH AND OBVIOUSLY IN ONE SHORT HOUR WE'RE NOT GONIG TO SOLVE THE CITY'S BIGGEST PROBLEMS. WE'RE ALL HERE TO BUILD UPON THE POSITIVE MODELS THAT WE'VE JUST SEEN, TO ENCOURAGE NEW INITIATIVES, TO MAKE CONNECTIONS AND TO EXPLORE NEW WAYS OF COLLABORATION THAT WILL IMPROVE THE LIFE OF OUR CITY.

FIRST, LET'S DISCUSS THE IMPLICATIONS OF THOSE STORIES THAT WE JUST SAW. WHAT ARE THEIR LESSONS, WHAT ARE THEIR MEANINGS TO THE REST OF US? ARRINGTON DIXON, YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY A LONG TIME. I WONDER IF YOU'D STAND UP AND SHARE WITH US WHAT YOUR IMPRESSIONS WERE AND WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE TAKING AWAY FROM THAT FILM.

ARRINGTON DIXON: I THINK WE SEE A POWERFUL FORCE THAT EXISTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS RESURGING AND I THINK HAS GREAT PROMISE FOR A FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST-JUST WONDERFUL. AND I THINK THOSE PROGRAMS WE JUST SAW THAT HAVE INITIATED IN THIS AREA, EAST OF THE RIVER, HAVE A SPIRIT THAT REFLECTS THE GREATNESS AND STRENGTH THAT EXISTS HERE.

HEDRICK SMITH: THANKS VERY MUCH. JACQUELINE LINDSAY, YOU WORK AT THE GREATER SOUTHEAST HOSPITAL HERE IN SOUTHEAST WASHINGTON. WHAT DO THESE STORIES MEAN TO YOU?

JACQUELINE LINDSAY: I THINK THE STORIES HERE SHOW THAT AS YOU SAID THERE ARE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING HERE IN SOUTHEAST. THERE ARE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THESE PEOPLE AND THESE PROGRAMS ARE INDICATIVE OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT A COMMUNITY DOES WHEN IT COMES TOGETHER. THEY'RE NOT ISOLATED. THEY ARE ALL OF US. THEY ARE WHAT WE ARE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR AND THEY'RE THE THINGS THAT MAKE FOR HOPE AND FOR POSSIBILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

HEDRICK SMITH: JIM JONES, YOU'RE THE MANAGING PARTNER OF ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS LAW FIRMS IN WASHINGTON, ARNOLD AND PORTER. YOU'RE THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE WASHINGTON BOARD OF TRADE. AS SOMEBODY COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, WHAT KIND OF IMPRESSION DID YOU GET, WHAT WAS NEW TO YOU , WHAT WERE THE SURPRISES TO YOU?

JIM JONES: I THINK THE WORD THAT COMES TO MY MIND OUT OF THE FILM, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, IS THE WORD EMPOWERMENT, BECAUSE I THINK SO OFTEN, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT FROM A PUBLIC POLICY STANDPOINT, WHEN WE THINK IN GLOBAL TERMS, WE ALWAYS THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN BRING TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW CAN WE SOLVE ITS PROBLEM. AND THE THING THAT COMES VERY POWERFULLY THROUGH ON THE FILM TO ME IS THAT THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION.

THE RIGHT QUESTION IS HOW WE CAN EMPOWER THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SOLVE ITS OWN PROBLEMS. I THINK JIM BANKS SAID IT INTHE FILM. IT'S NOT WHAT WE BRING, IT'S WHAT'S ALREADY HERE. IT'S HOW DO YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT'S ALREADY HERE. AND I THINK WHAT WE SAW IN THE FILM WAS WHAT IS HERE IS REALLY VERY POWERFUL AND EXCITING.

HEDRICK SMITH: BOB BROWN, YOU, YOURSELF, RUN THE CHILDREN'S TRUST NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATIVE IN WARD 7. TELL US-A MOMENT-WHAT THAT MEANS. WHAT DO YOU DO, REAL QUICKLY. AND THEN HOW DO YOU RELATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO WHAT YOU SAW IN THOSE FILMS AND HOW WE EXPAND ON THOSE PROGRAMS AND THAT POTENTIAL?

BOB BROWN: I THINK THAT PRIMARILY WHAT WE DO AT CT & I-WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL IT TO SHORTEN IT-WHAT WE TRY TO DEAL WITH IS THE SPIRITUALITY AND THE SPIRITUAL CONNECTION. AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE SAW IN THE FILM, IN THE VIDEO, WAS THE TREMENDOUS SPIRITUALITY THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT TO THEIR WORK; THAT IS THE CARING, THE LOVE, THE COMMITMENT, THE STICKING TO AND WITH THE PERSON, THE UPS AND DOWNS AND THE INS AND OUTS. AND NOT JUST A MOMENTARY KIND OF RELATIONSHIP.

SO AT CT & I WHAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO IS TO CREATE A SPIRITUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FOLK WE WORK WITH-WITHIN THEIR FAMILIES, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OURSELVES. AND I THINK THE ONE THING THAT CONSTANTLY CAME UP IN THE VIDEO WAS FAMILY. WE FEEL LIKE FAMILY. AND WHAT WE TRY TO CREATE IS THAT SENSE OF FAMILY THAT IS REALLY THE SENSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY, CREATING FAMILY, THAT PEOPLE CARE, LOVE, AND ARE WITH EACH OTHER, UNCONDITIONALLY.

HEDRICK SMITH: SO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPOWERMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILY. ROGER WILKINS-YOU'RE OVER HERE-ROGER, I WONDER IF YOU WOULD SHARE WITH US YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF IMAGES WE'RE SEEING IN THE FILM THAT DON'T FIT WITH SOME OF THE STEREOTYPES THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE-WHAT IMAGES ARE WE SEEING THAT-THAT KIND OF REFORM OUR THINKING?

ROGER WILKINS: WELL, I GUESS WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT YOU NEVER SEE THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT WE SAW IN YOUR FILM ON THE 10 O'CLOCK NEWS OR THE 11 O'CLOCK NEWS EVERY NIGHT. MOREOVER WE RARELY SEE IT IN FEATURE STORIES ON THE METRO SECTIONS OF OUR TWO DAILY NEWSPAPERS.

IF PEOPLE THOUGHT ABOUT COMING OVER HERE, THEY WOULDN'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD SEE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN THIS ROOM. THEY WOULD SEE CRIMINALS. THEY WOULD BE AFRAID. THEY WOULD STAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER AND THEY WOULD THINK THAT THERE WAS NOTHING USEFUL TO INVEST IN AT ALL OVER HERE. SO, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

HEDRICK SMITH: BUT YOU'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY VERY IMPORTANT TO AMERICAN SOCIETY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMAGE OF BLACK MEN. I MUST SAY TO YOU ALL THAT ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PERSONAL EXPERIENCES THAT I HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WORKING ON THIS FILM IS THE NUMBER OF BLACK MALE ROLE MODELS THAT ARE POSITIVE.

WE HAD THE ALLIANCE OF CONCERNED MEN, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM A POSITIVE ROLE MODEL. HOWARD BROWN, ROGER TRUEHEART, TOM BLACKBORN, INSPECTOR ROBINSON, OFFICER BALLARD.... HEY, WASN'T THAT A GREAT LINE, STRAIGHT A'S AND B'S, RIGHT. HE'S RIGHT IN THERE WITH THE KIDS. A POLICEMAN IS A PIED PIPER FOR THE KIDS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE. IS THAT IMPORTANT?

ROGER WILKINS: OH, IT'S ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO SEE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT FOR THE KIDS TO SEE AND THE PEOPLE IN LORTON TO SEE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO SEE, BECAUSE THE IMAGES THAT WE GET OF OURSELVES OFTEN COME FROM THE GENERAL MEDIA, SO, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE WONDERFUL MEN. WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE POLICE OFFICERS. AND YES, IT IS ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SEE.

HEDRICK SMITH: DOROTHY, GILLIAM, YOU'RE A WONDERFUL COLUMNIST, YOU WRITE ABOUT ALL KINDS OF POSITIVE STUFF I NTHE NEWSPAPER, BUT I JSUT WONDER FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU SAW OPENED UP SOME DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES EVEN OF YOUR OWN?

DOROTHY GILLIAM: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WAS NOT SURPRISED, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE IN ANACOSTIA HAVE THE-NOT ONLY THE STRENGTH AND THE FORTITUDE, BUT I KNOW THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.

WHAT SURPRISED ME WAS THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPEL HERE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. AND THAT WAS-THAT WAS VERY VERY GOOD. I MEAN, I THINK THE-THE THREE-THE FOUR GENTLEMEN WHO MAKE UP THE ALLIANCE FOR CONCERNED MEN, THAT'S....

HEDRICK SMITH: IT'S SIX....

DOROTHY GILLIAM: IT'S SIX. THAT'S A TREMENDOUS SERVICE I NTHIS CITY AND MY HOPE IS THAT FROM YOUR GOOD WORK AND ERIC TATE'S GOOD WORK AND ALL OF YOUR GOOD WORK THAT WE WILL INSPIRE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS CITY TO DO WHAT'S BEEN DONE HERE. BUT I THINK IN MANY WAYS THESE ARE-THESE ARE VERY TYPICAL RESEIDENTS OF ANACOSTIA WHO ARE INVOLVED IN VERY GOOD THINGS.

HEDRICK SMITH: AND IT'S THE VERY TYPICALNESS THAT IS BEING MISSED BY THE WIDER COMMUNITY.

GILLIAM: ABSOLUTELY

SMITH: AND THAT'S THE POINT.

GILLIAM: ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THAT YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT IMAGES AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US TO CHANGE THE IMAGES-THIS TELLS US THAT WE NEED TO REDEFINE WHAT NEWS IS.

SMITH: WELL, WE'LL GET TO THE MEDIA, I HAVE A HUNCH, IN A MOMENT.

THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER-THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER FOLKS IN THE-IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE I THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE VALUES, IN TERMS OF THE COMMON ELEMENTS, BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS THAT-THAT IF WE WANT TO BUILD ON WE OUGHT TO REAFFIRM.

BOB BROWN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SENSE OF FAMILY AND JIM JONES AND OTHERS WERE TALKING ABOUT EMPOWERMENT. WHAT ABOUT VISION, WHAT ABOUT HOPE? I THOUGHT THIS PART OF THE CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HOPELESS. I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE HOPELESS. I MEAN, WHAT ELSE DO WE GET OUT HERE. THERE MUST BE SOME REACTIONS HERE YOU'RE PICKING UP. YES, MR. HAMILTON?

HAMILTON: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GOT OUT OF IT-WE ALWAYS KNEW WE COULD DO IT. BUT WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING AT-THE BROADER COMMUNITY, YOU REALIZE THEY-OH, THEY CAN DO IT. AND THIS IS WHAT I'M-WE LETTING OTHER FOLKS KNOW THAT WE CAN DO IT. WE'VE ALWAYS KNOW THAT WE COULD DO IT. BUT SOME OTHER FOLKS DIDN'T KNOW IT.

SMITH: ALL RIGHT, THAT CAN DO SPIRIT AND GETTING THAT WORD. WHAT ELSE? OVER HERE? JOSH BERNSTEIN, TELL US WHAT YOU DO JOSH, YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU DO.

JOSH BERNSTEIN: I'M JOSH BERNSTEIN AND I RUN A REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY IN WASHINGTON. I THINK SO MANY OF MY PEERS I NTHE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ACROSS THE RIVER BLOCK OUT ANACOSTIA AND IT'S PROBLEMS. IT IS SO OVERWHELMING TO US THAT WE-THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS JUST TURN OUR BACKS AND RUN AWAY.

AND I THINK THE DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE AND BE A PART OF SOMETHING POSITIVE IS THERE. MOST OF US JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. AND THESE STORIES ARE JUST SO INSPIRING I-YOU KNOW, SHOW US A SCHOOLLET'S GO-LET'S GO HELP IT. SHOW US A-PROGRAMS-ALL THESE PROGRAMS WORK AND DON'T TAKE A LOT OF RESOURCES. AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT'S WRONG-ARE OUT THERE SOLVING THE PROBLEMS AND THERE IS SUPPORT WE CAN PROVIDE. IF WE KNEW-IF WE KNEW HOW TO DO IT, IT'S THERE. IT REALLY IS. THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN INSPIRING.

SMITH: CRITICAL POINT. LET ME GO BACK TO THE PANEL WE'VE GOT UP HERE. AND LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU THE PANEL. THIS IS NOT A NORMAL PANEL. WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF EXPERTS. WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS REPRESENT THE PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE. SOMEBODY FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COMMUNITY, SOMEBODY WHO-LIKE SUE MARSHALL-WE'LL GET TO HER IN A MOMENT-WHO DEALS WITH THINGS ACROSS THE BOARD. A WOMAN FROM WARD 8 AND THE PUBLIC HOUSING MAN FROM WARD 7 WHO IS WORKING WITH CHILDREN. SO, WE TRIED TO PICK REPRESENTATIVES OF YOU.

NOW, LET'S GET BACK-WHAT YOU SAID, JOSH, WAS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. SO, POTENTIAL IS THERE. SO, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS, WHERE ARE THE OBSTACLES, WHAT'S BEEN HOLDING US BACK, JACKIE MASSEY? YOU'RE THE HEAD OF THE RESIDENTS' COUNCIL IN VALLEY GREEN PUBLIC HOUSING. FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE RIGHT DOWN AT THE GRASS ROOTS, WHAT'S BEEN HOLDING US BACK? WHY HAVEN'T WE GOTTEN MORE OF THIS STUFF? WHY DOESN'T THE WIDER COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON?

JACKIE MASSEY: A LACK OF INFORMATION AND A LACK OF UNITY. THE HAVES DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE HAVE NOTS CAN BECOME SOMEBODY. AND THE HAVES DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN MOVE WITH THEM WHEN THE CHANGE COMES. AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE GET TOGETHER AND TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND NOT ABOUT ONE ANOTHER AND NOT AT ONE ANOTHER, WE SURVIVE. WE BECOME CRUCIAL PEOPLE IN THIS SOCIETY. WE COVER ONE ANOTHER.

SMITH: SUE MARSHALL, YOU'RE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. YOUR WHOLE OBJECT, YOUR WHOLE REASON FOR BEING-AND YOU COMJE OUT OF WARD 8 -- IS TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. SO, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES? LET'S THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS KIND OF HONESTLY. LET'S LAY THEM OUT ON THE TABLE. WHAT'S THE DIFFICULTY?

MARSHALL: I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH ONE OF THE MAJOR DIFFICULTIES RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT-IS THAT WE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER. WE STAND BACK AND TALK ACROSS THE RIVER AT EACH OTHER, BUT WE DON'T MAKE ATTEMPTS TO CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER ON A ONE-TO-ONE BASIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME VERY MUCH ABOUT THE FILM AS A THEME WAS RELATIONSHIPS. RELATIONSHIPS OF INDIVIDUALS TO EACH OTHER, RELATIONSHIPS OF PEOPLE TO FAMILIES AND RELATIONSHIPS OF FAMILIES WITHIN COMMUNITIES. WE SIMPLY NEED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. WE NEED TO TALK HONESTLY AND OPENLY ABOUT WHAT ARE THE ISSUES.

THE THING THAT I ENJOY MOST ABOUT THIS AS AN EXPERIENCE WAS SEEING ONE HOUR'S WORTH OF VERY POSITIVE IMAGES, PARTICULARLY OF BLACK MEN. I LOVED THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO JUST SPREAD THAT. PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THIS TO BALANCE EVERY DAY WHAT YOU GET ON THE NEWS. BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE NEWS IS NOT REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COMMUNITY.

SMITH: JACKIE, I WANT TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT FURTHER-THANK YOU, SUE, -- I WANT TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, JACKIE, HOW MUCH OF THAT FEELIGN OF THE COMMUNICATIONS GA- AND THE DISTANCE OF NOT BEING IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER-IT'S A SENSE ON THIS PART OF THE RIVER THAT EAST OF THE RIVER IS REGARDED BY THE REST OF WASHINGTON AS A STEP CHILD. IT'S SOMEHWERE OVER THERE AND IT'S NOT KIND OF PART OF THE REGULAR FAMILY OF THE CITY.

JACKIE: I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF MY INITIAL FEELING AND I'VE WORKED WITH QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM OVER THE YEARS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN YOU COME WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU ALSO RESPECT THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE BRINGING THE SOMETHING TO.

AND THE UNDERSTANDING IS IF WE HAVE TO MOVE TOWARDS CHANGE, LET'S DO IT UNIFIED. DON'T ALLOW ME TO SIT IN DENIAL WHILE YOU'RE PERPETRATING A FRAUD ON ME KNOWING THAT I HAVE TO MOVE-YOU'RE GOING TO DRAG ME WITH YOU IF YOU DON'T WALK WITH ME.

SMITH: NOW, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT INTO TOUGH PLAIN ENGLISH

[LAUGHTER]

JACKIE: WHAT I MEAN IS THAT WE NEED TO SHARE AND CARE ABOUT ONE ANOTHER. WHEN THE-I USED TO BE MORBIDLY AFRAID OF DEVELOPERS UNTIL I MET WITH THE RECEIVER AND HE ACTUALLY JUST LAID IT ALL OUT FOR ME AND SAID, ‘JACKIE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.'

'AND, JACKIE, YOU CAN WORK WITH US AS A PARTNER ANDYOU WILL BE A FULL PARTNER-YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY-IN HOW WE WILL CHANGE VALLEY GREEN.' WELL, NOBODY EVER SAID THAT TO US. THEY SAID, 'THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.' THAT WAS THE MENTALITY THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH OVER THE YEARS.

NOW, I'M NOT AFRAID OF DEMOLITION OR AFRAID OF LETTING GO AND BEING PART OF SOMETHING BRAND NEW. BECAUSE IT WAS FOSTERED IN A KIND AND LOVING WAY. IT WAS NOT SHOVED DOWN MY THROAT AND I WAS NOT PUSHED AROUND BECAUSE I WAS LIVING IN A POOR AND DEPRIVED NEIGHBORHOOD.

SMITH: IS JOE HORNING HERE? JOE, YOU DO A LOT OF BUSINESS ALL OVER TOWN AND YOU HAVE REAL ESTATE AROUND THE TOWN. IS IT DIFFERENT OVER HERE THAN IT IS OVER THERE?

JOE HORNING: I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO FEEL REMISS IN THAT IT TOOK TONIGHT TO HAVE THE CONFIDENCE-WE BUILT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET-APARTMENTS-IN 1960. WE THEN BOUGHT EIGHT ACRES OF LAND-IT'S A BLOCK AWAY-IN 1965. THEN THE MARKET WENT TO HELL IN A BASKET. AND, SO, WE LEFT AND NEVER CAME BACK. WE'VE MADE SOME ABORTIVE EFFORTS TO TRY. IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE BUILT IN EVERY OTHER WARD IN THIS CITY, BUT NOT THIS WARD.

SMITH: WHY?

HORNING: I JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY HOPE HERE. I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS SUCH AN ENIGMA-MY FRIEND, JIM BANKS, AND I BUILT SOME HOUSING RIGHT IN THE NEXT BLOCK, SOME MODULAR HOUSING IN 1972. AND I CAME BACK FROM THAT BECAUSE JIM GOT ME HERE. WE WERE HAPPY TO BREAK EVEN AND LEAVE. AND IT WASN'T THE MONEY, IT WAS THE IDEA TO DO SOMETHING. BUT I JUST-IT DIDN'T RESTORE MY CONFIDENCE. AND, SO, IN THE MEANTIME I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS IN DIFFERENT WARDS, BUT I NEVER COULD SEEM TO GET ANY CONNECTION HERE.

SMITH: THANKS. JIM BANKS, HE PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. WHAT IS IT? THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL STORY. YOU KNOW JOE HORNING-YOU'RE FRIENDS, YOU'VE DEALT WITH HIM. BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER FOLKS, MAYBE THEY'RE HERE, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT HERE. WHY IS IT SO HARD? WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES?

I MEAN, WHAT IS THE FEAR ALL ABOUT-AND IS IT-IS IT MUTUAL SUSPICIONS, OR IS IT IGNORANCE? WHAT'S THE HEART OF IT?

TOM BANKS: I THINK IT'S A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AND A LACK OF INFORMATION. BECAUSE BUSY PEOPLE LIKE JOE AND FOLKS WHO ARE BUSY 10 - 12 HOURS A DAY GET MOST OF THE INFORMATION THEY GET FROM THE MEDIA. THE MEDIA DOES NOT TREAT THE PROBLEMS AND THE ACTIVITIES OF THIS COMMUNITY IN A WAY WHICH IS EASILY UNDERSTOOD. IT SEEMS TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE TO SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE RATHER THAN POSITIVE. AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR MANY YEARS.

SO, I THINK THAT IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM. IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T-THEY REJECT IT-THEY DON'T GET THE INFORMATION CLEARLY. AND YOUR-THIS EXPERIENCE TONIGHT IF THE PEOPLE OF WASHINGTON CAN-WILL LOOK AT IT, IT WILL PRESENT INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT I THINK CAN NOT BE MISUNDERSTOOD. THEY WILL KNOW FOR THE FIRST TIME THE DEPTHS OF THE STRENGTHS OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE ACTIVITIES WHICH WILL HELP THEMSELVES.

SMITH: IS THE RIVER, ITSELF, A BARRIER? I MEAN, YOU-I HAVE A SENSE GOING ACROSS THE RIVER IS A BIG DEAL. I MEAN, I WAS INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. AND LET ME ADMIT MY IGNORANCE-YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE RIVER THERE WAS HERE.

AND THEN TO DISCOVER THAT OF COURSE FOR THE KIDS HERE-THOSE KIDS IN THAT HIGH SCHOOL, GOIGN INTO TOWN, THAT WAS GOING ACROSS THE RIVER. THAT WAS A WORLD THEY HAD TO GET ACQUAINTED WITH. SO, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. ISN'T THE RIVER A BARRIER KIND OF PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER?

JIM BANKS: OF COURSE. I THINK THE BEST EXAMPLE IN MY LIFE THAT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT IS THAT I WENT FROM HERE AS A KID TO HIGH SCHOOL ACROSS THE RIVER AT THE DUNBAR HIGH SCHOOL. AND THE PEOPLE AT DUNBAR THOUGHT THAT ANYBODY WHO CAME FROM ANACOSTIA WAS SORT OF FROM THE HINTERLANDS AND NOT QUITE WITH IT.

SMITH: IF YOU WILL FORGIVE ME, THIS WAS A WHILE BACK.

[LAUGHTER]

THIS IS NOT A RECENT PROBLEM.

[LAUGHTER]

TOM BANKS: THIS IS BACK IN THE EARLY 30'S THAT I WAS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL.

SMITH: OKAY, SO WE HAD THAT PROBLEM. I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE FROM THE MEDIA THAT WE CAN TALK TO. KEITH HARRIS, ONE OF THE CITY EDITORS OF THE WASHINGTON POST, IS HE HERE....I MEAN, THE MEDIA HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE A PROBLEM, BUT-BUT THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN HOW THE MEDIA PORTRAYS THIS PART OF THE CITY.

I JUST WONDER IF YOU WOULD TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU WORK FOR AND WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS. IS THIS A FAIR RAP OR NOT?

DENISE ROLARK BARNES: WELL, FIRST LET ME SAY THAT I REPRESENT THE MEDIA THAT'S FROM THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER.

[APPLAUSE]

AND HAVING ONCE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, BUT STILL LIVING ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER, I'VE RECOGNIZED THAT IT'S BEEN EASY FOR THE MEDIA TO PAINT THIS PART OF THE CITY AS JUST BEING POOR ANS BLACK AND UNDESERVING OF ALL THAT IT HAS, ALL THAT THE CITY HAS TO OFFER....

SMITH: BEFORE YOU GO ON, COULD YOU TELL US YOUR NAME AND YUOUR PAPER?

BARNES: I'M DENISE ROLARK BARNES AND I'M NOW PUBLISHER OF THE WASHINGTON INFORMER NEWSPAPER WHICH WAS STARTED BY MY FATHER, DR. CALVIN ROLARK, WHO LEFT US ABOUT A YEAR AGO. BUT I THINK THAT ON THE PART OF THE MEDIA, WE HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO COME OVER-SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES-TO COME OVER INTO THIS COMMUNITY-HAVE NOT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO COVER THE STORIES FRO MA COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE.

EVEN THE FILM THAT WE SAW THIS EVENING, WHICH I THINK YOU'VE DONE A CONSIDERABLE JOB-STILL DOES NOT PAINT THIS AS A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT RAISE THEIR CHILDREN NORMALLY. THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING, CUT THEIR GRASS, GO GROCERY SHOPPING, GO TO THE LAUNDRAMAT, GO TO WORK ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER AND GETTING ACROSS THE RIVER SOMETIMES IS EVEN DIFFICULT.

I MEAN, WE TALK ABOTU TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT COME OUR WAY BECAUSE WE ARE POOR AND BLACK. AND NOT ALL OF US ARE POOR AND BLACK. AND I THINK, ONE, THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS OVER HERE HAS NOT STOOD UP AND MADE THE KIND OF NOISE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE MADE TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE LIKE THE JACKIE MASSEYS, WHO'VE BEEN HOLLERING ANS MAKING A LOT OF NOISE FOR A LONG TIME AND TRYING TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.

AND SURE, WE MAY NOT HAVE WORKED AS WELL TOGETHER AS WE SHOULD HAVE, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S JUST BEEN CONVENIENT FOR THE MEDIA TO SAY, WARD 8, EAST OF THE RIVER, POOR, BLACK, A LOT OF CRIME. IT TOOK YOU A YEAR AND A HALF-OR A YEAR OR SO-TO PAINT THE PICTURE THAT YOU'VE PAINTED. NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO TAKE THAT KIND OF TIME TO PAINT A DIFFERENT PICTURE.

AND FORTUNATELY, WE DO HAVE OTHER MEDIA THAT ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO THAT. AND, SO, WE CAN NOW BECOME PARTNERS IN PAINTING A POSITIVE PICTURE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.

SMITH: THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: I'M GOING TO NEED SOME HELP IF I CAN FROM THE BOOM MIKES WAY IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. I'VE GOT A WOMAN BACK THERE WITH HER HAND UP...I WONDER IF YOU WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH TO TELL US WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU DO, AND THEN GET RIGHT IN ON THIS MEDIA DISCUSSION IF YOU WOULD.

INTERVIEWEE:

[INAUDIBLE] STATE COORDINATOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING ANS URBAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE DC FIELD OFFICE. I KNOW MS. MASSEY VERY WELL. I WANT TO BUILD ON SOMETHING THAT SHE'S SAYING. SHE'S TALKED ABOUT TRUST, SHE'S TALKED ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS AND I HEAR MR. HORNING TALK ABOUT HOW HE'S MADE A BIG INVESTMENT OVER HERE AND IT FAILED. AND HE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME BACK AND MAKE IT-MAKE A GO OF IT.

BUT I LOOK AT CHARLES SMITH WHO CAME OVER HERE AND TOOK A BIG RISK. I LOOK AT NATIONSBANK, WHO'S GOT MORE MONEY-NEW MONEY-INVESTED IN SOUTHEAST WASHINGTON THAN I HTINK ANY CORPORATION IN THIS-IN THIS CITY, IN THIS AREA, AND YET, THEY'VE DONE IT. BECAUSE THEY CAME IN TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH. THEY CAME IN BUILDING THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAD TO WORK AT.

I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY AMAZED AND IMPRESSED WITH THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT ARE VERY REAL AND I THINNK NATIONS BANK WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY, HAND OVER FIST, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN'T COME OVER HERE AND MAKE AN INVESTMENT. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

SMITH: I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT. IT'S A CRITICAL QUESTION. BILL RASPBERRY, I WONDER IF YOU-CAN WE GET A MIKE UP HERE FOR BILL RASPBERRY OF THE WASHINGTON POST-I WONDERED JUST THINKING ABOUT-YOU'RE NOT ONLY A SENSETIVE COMMENTATOR ON THE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE A SENSETIVE COMMENTATOR ON THE MEDIA. AND I WONDER WHAT-WHAT DOES-JUSTICE YOU SEE I NSOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE? I MEAN, ARE WE IN THE MEDIA PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS BARRIER?

RASPBERRY: YEAH, I THINK WE ARE TO A VERY LARGE DEGREE RESPONSIBLE, NOT-NOT OUT OF ANY PARTICULAR MEAN SPIRITNESS-I FIND THAT WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THIS PIECE IS QUITE EXTRAORDINARY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE GENERALLY DO IN THE MEDIA. WE TEND TO BE KIND OF VOYEURISTIC ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS. WE WILL TAKE AUDIENCES ON A LITTLE PEEP SHOW SO YOU CAN SEE HOW AWFUL THOSE FOLK OVER THERE ARE AND WE THINK WE HAVE COVERED THE PROBLEMS OF POVERTY OR THE UNDERCLASS OR WHATEVER WE CHOOSE TO CALL IT. AND WE TOO OFTEN DON'T DO THIS WITH A VIEW TO HELPING LEAD TOWARD THE SOLUTION OF PROBLEMS.

RICK, I MUST SAY THAT ONE OF THE MOST IMPRESSIVE THINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE-A WHITE GUY FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER, NEVERTHELESS THAT-BEING ABLE TO COME OVER AND TREAT THE PEOPLE YOU MEET WITH TRUE RESPECT, TRUE RESPECT AS FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS, HEAR THEIR STORIES AND TELL THEIR STORIES IN A WAY THAT IS MOST INSPIRING.

THAT THING THAT STRIKES ME MOST ABOUT WHAT WE DO IS THAT WE THINK WE FOLLOW STORIES, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR JOURNALISTIC VALUES, BECAUSE THIS IS NEWS. WHAT YOU HAVE DISCOVERED HERE AND WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING THE PEOPLE IS, ABOVE ALL, INTERESTING. IT'S JUST A PLAIN FASCINATING STORY AND WE JOURNALISTS CLAIM TO WANT INTERESTING STORIES. WHY DON'T WE LOOK FOR THEM?

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: DOROTHY GILLIAM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, YOU SAID SOMETHING I THINK QUITE PROFOUND AND THAT IS THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR NOTION OF WHAT'S NEWS. AND BILL WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. I WONDER IF YOU COULD AMPLIFY ON THAT FOR ME...GO AHEAD.

GILLIAM: WELL, I AGREE WITH BILL THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A VENAL MOTIVE IN EDITORS WHO INDEED ARE OUR COLLEAGUES IN MANY OF THESE INSTANCES. BUT I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A NOTION THAT NEWS IS ABERRATION AND THERE IS, INDEED, STILL THAT NOTION. NEWS IS THE NEGATIVE. NEWS IS NOT THE ORDINARY. NEWS IS WHAT IS-WHAT GOES WRONG.

AND WITH THAT DEFINITION, COMMUNITIES LIKE ANACOSTIA WILL ALWAYS FALL SHORT, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE DEFINITION IS NOT APPLIED UNEVENLY, IT'S APPLIED YOU KNOW ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER. THERE ARE BALANCING FACTORS ON THE OFFICIAL SIDE THAT ARE NOT HERE. THERE ARE BALANCING AT LEAST THAT ARE RECOGNIZED BY MEDIA EDITORS.

FOR EXAMPLE, MOST ROUTINELY THERE IS COVERAGE OF THE CAPITOL. ROUTINELY THERE IS COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENT. THERE IS COVERAGE OF BUSINESSMEN. SO THERE ARE-THERE ARE POSITIVE KIND OF POWER IMAGES THAT ARE-THAT ARE PROJECTED ABOUT LIFE OVER THERE. THOSE POWER IMAGES ARE NOT PROJECTED ABOUT LIFE HERE, EVEN THOUGH POWER EXISTS.

AND I THINK PART OF IT IS THE MISPERCEPTION-I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT CENTURIES OLD MISPERCEPTIONS OF BLACK PEOPLE THAT IN PART IS ALSO AT WORK HERE. THE FEELING THAT YOU KNOW THE STEREOTYPES OF BLACKS HAVE LONG BEEN THERE.

SO HOW SHOULD WE REDEFINE NEWS? I THINK WE CAN REDEFINE NEWS NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING MUST BE POSITIVE, BUT TO SAY, LET US HAVE BALANCE AND LET US HAVE FAIRNESS AND THAT BALANCE AND FAIRNESS MEANS JUST AS THERE ARE DRUG ADDICTS WHO ARE BLACK IN ANACOSTIA, THERE ARE DRUG ADDICTS WHO ARE WHITE IN NORTHWEST WASHINGTON.

WE DON'T SEE THOSE WHITE DRUG ADDICTS. WE DON'T PROSECUTE FOR POWDER COCAINE THE SAME WAY WE DO FOR CRACK COCAINE. AND, SO THERE ARE JUST BUILT-IN INEQUITIES AND INADEQUACIES THAT ARE JUST MAGNIFIED. AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REDEFINING NEWS, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO SAY THAT THERE'S A BALANCE ON BOTH SIDES.

WE'VE GOT TO PAINT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEIR FULLNESS, WHICH INCLUDES THEIR GOOD AND BAD-WE MOSTLY GET THEIR GOOD-AND WE'VE GOT TO PAINT BLACK PEOPLE IN THEIR FULLNESS. WE MOSTLY GET THEIR BAD. WE NEED TO SEE BOTH SIDES.

SMITH: RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE MEDIA HERE?

HANNA M. HAWKINS: GOOD AFTERNOON-OR GOOD EVENING, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

SMITH: COULD YOU TELL US WHO YOU ARE?

HAWKINS: I AM NOT FROM THE MEDIA, BUT I'M AN ACTIVIST.

SMITH: GREAT. TELL US WHAT YOUR ACTIVITY IS-

HAWKINS: MY NAME IS HANNA M. HAWKINS. I AM A NATIVE OF THIS CITY. I'VE SEEN OUR CITY GO FROM GRACE TO DISGRACE, ALSO THIS IS MY PARISH AND I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE YOUNG LADY FOR WHAT SHE SAID BECAUSE SHE ECHOED WHAT I SAY ON A DAILY BASIS, THE GREATEST SIN THAT ANYBODY CAN COMMIT IS A SIN OF OMISSION AND THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER HERE IN ANACOSTIA. WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE WEST OF THE PARK, SOUTHWEST OR WHATEVER. WE WANT THE SAME THINGS, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY ALL OF OUR ESSENTIALS AND THEN THEY HAVE STAYED ON THE OTHER SIDE AND TALKED ABOUT US LIKE A DOG.

I HAVE NAMED MY COMMUNITY LITTLE SOWETO, THE NAKED CITY. WE ARE LOST WITH EVERYTHING, EVEN WITH TRANSPORTATION.

I HAVE A CENTER THAT WAS NOT FEATURED ON YOUR FILM, RIGHT DOWN THE STREE, IT'S CALLED CHILDREN OF MINE. I SERVICE CHILDREN FROM ALL OVER THE CITY. ONCE THEY COME HERE TO THE CENTER-EVERY DAY-THEY FIND THAT THE CHILDREN IN ANACOCTIA ARE NOT DIFFERENT THAN THE CHILDREN IN NORTHWEST.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THANKS BE TO GOD, SOME OF MY CHILDREN WERE GIVEN BY THE CAFRITZ FOUNDATION THIS YEAR A 15 THOUSAND DOLLAR SCHOLARSHIP TO GO TO SAINT ANDREWS EPISCOPAL SCHOOL. ONCE THEY ARRIVED THERE THE PRINCIPAL CALLED ME AND SAID TO ME, 'MRS. HAWKINS, WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THESE CHILDREN FROM ACROSS THE BRIDGE. OUR MISCONCEPTION, OUR PHOBIAS THAT WE HAD OF THE CHILDREN OVER IN ANACOSTIA ARE ALL GONE NOW, BECAUSE WE FOUND OUT THAT ONJCE THEY ARE GIVEN A CHANCE, THEY WILL RISE TO THE OCCASION.' THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: I WONDER IF YOU'D BE GOOD ENOUGH TO STAND UP, TELL US-AS SOON AS THE MIKE'S OVER THERE-TELL US WHAT YOUR NAME IS AND-

LAMONT MITCHELL: LAMONT MITCHELL FROM LAMONTIE ANACOSTIA CAFE AND CATERING. I THINK THAT-I CERTAINLY SHARE THE OPINIONS OF MSS HAWKINS. SHE'S WORKED IN THIS COMMUNITY A LONG TIME. BUT I THINK AS WE LOOK BACK AT THIS PROBLEM-I'D LIKE TO CALL IT FEAR AND DEFINE FEAR AS FALSE EDUCATION ACCEPTED AS REALITY.

WE HAVE ACCEPTED A FALSE EDUCATION ON WHAT WE ARE ABOUT ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER AND WHA TTHE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER ARE ABOUT.

NOW, WE CAN GLOSS THIS THING OVER AND IT'S NICE AND YOU FEEL REAL WARM WHEN YOU SEE THE FILM AND WHATEVER HAVE YOU, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT ANACOSTIA IS SOWETO, ANACOSTIA IS IN NEED OF EVERY SERVICE YOU CAN IMAGINE. EVERY TIME YOU HAVE 110,000 PEOPLE EAST OF THE ANACOSTIA RIVER AND AND TWO SIT-DOWN RESTAURANTS, NO DRESS SHOP, NO MOVIE THEATER AND THREE FOOD STORES-WHATEVER HAVE YOU-THERE IS A DEARTH OF SERVICES THAT'S LIKE NONE OTHER.

IF THIS WAS THE SITUATION-SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MEDIA IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE-HAVE NOT DONE-THE CRIME IS WHAT THEY HAVE NOT EXPOSED. THAT THE SERVICES THAT EVERYBODY ELSE ENJOYS-THAT YOU CAN WALK OUT OF YOUR HOME AND WALK TO A STORE-THAT WE HAVE TO RIDE SOMEWHERE, GO TO MARYLAND FOR THESE SERVICES.

NOW, I LOOK AT MR. HORNING AND I SAY TO HIM, 'MR. HORNING, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT. MR. JIM BANKS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE MISSISSIPPI AVENUE AREA. WE WENT INTO THAT AREA WHERE THERE WERE 6000 VACANT UNITS. IN 1984 THE UNION TEMPLE BAPTIST CHURCH RESTORED 52 UNITS. SINCE THAT TIME, ALL OF THE UITS HAVE BEEN COMPLETE. JIM BANKS AND THE CURTIS BROTHER PROPERTIES HAVE PUT UP A BEAUTIFUL 20 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THAT IS LIKE NONE OTHER IN THE CITY. IT IS VERY WELL SECURED, IT IS VERY WELL-NICE PLACE TO LIVE.

NOW, I DON'T ACCEPT THE EXCUSE THAT I'M SCARED, I'M AFRAID, BECAUSE IF MR. JIM BANKS AND CURTIS BROTHERS CAN DO IT-AND IF WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE-EVERYBODY SITTING AROUND THIS ROOM OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. AS WE, IN A CHURCH BEFORE GOD, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IT. IF I CAN TAKE A CHANCE, OPEN UP A RESTAURANT THAT'S SIT DOWN WITHOUT FEEDING YOU THROUGH A GLASS PARTITION, THEN SOMEBODY ELSE CAN OPEN UP A RESTAURANT. SOMEBODY ELSE CAN OPEN UP A DRESS SHOP. SOMEBODY ELSE CAN OPEN UP A SHOPPING CENTER. AND STOP THIS-PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT REALLY BELONGS.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: JOE, I WONDER IF YOU WOULD RESPOND.

JOE HORNING: I DON'T FEEL THAT I CONVEYED WHAT I REALLY-I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF FAITH I NTHIS CITY AND IN ANACOSTIA. IT'S WHEN YOUR ECONOMIC RISKS ARE THERE TO A DEGREE THAT-WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD NEW HOUSING-IT'S ONLY BEEN I THINK UNTIL THE JOB ON MISSISSIPPI AVENUE STARTED AND THE JOB AT KNOX HILL-IT TOOK THEM SIX YEARS TO GET IT. THERE'S JUST BEEN A SCARCITY OF NEW HOUSING AND THAT'S OUR FORTE. AND, SO, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE ECONOMIC UNDERPINNINGS TO MAKE IT WORK.

BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SYNERGISM THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AROUND HERE IS CONTAGIOUS AND IT CERTAINLY IS CONTAGIOUS TO ME.

[LAUGHTER]

SMITH:

THE QUESTION WAS, WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK?

HORNING: SOONER THAN YOU-THAN I SOUND.

[LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE]

SMITH: CHRIS SMITH, YOUR FIRM IS ONE OF THOSE THAT GOT INVOLVED AND WE REPORTED ABOUT. WHY DID YOU GET INVOLVED? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEAR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RISK. THOSE ARE CERTAINLY SOME OF THE THINGS YOU AND YOUR COMPANY FELT. WHAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE?

CHRIS SMITH: OPPORTUNITY. MY DAD HAS BEEN ACTIVE OUT HERE SINCE THE MID 50'S. HE BROUGHT ME OVER IN THE MID 60'S WHILE I WAS STILL IN SCHOOL. IN FACT, HE SHOWED ME PARKLANDS AND SHOWED ME A VERY NICE, WELL TAKEN-CARE OF PROJECT. AND HE SHOWED ME WHAT MORRIS CAFRITZ COULD DO.

HEDRICK SMITH: WELL, WHY DO YOU SEE AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SEE AN UNACCEPTABLE RISK? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE MINDSET? WAS IT THE FACT THAT YOU'D SPENT YEARS HERE, AND THEREFORE, KNEW THE COMMUNITY BETTER. oR QWS IT THAT YOU HAD SECURE INVESTMENTS ELSEWHERE AND YOU WERE WILLING TO GAMBLE MORE? WHAT WAS THE MIX?

CHRIS SMITH: NO, WE'RE ALREADY HERE, SO I THINK THAT HELPED ALLEVIATE THE FEAR, MAYBE NOT LET THE FEAR ACTUALLY INSTILL IN US. WE'VE HAD COMMUNITIES OUT HERE FOR A LONG TIME. WE KNOW WHERE THE NUMBERS WORK. WE KNEW THERE WAS A NEED AND A GREAT DEMAND FOR HOUSING. WE RAN VERY HIGH OCCUPANCIES.

HEDRICK SMITH: AND IF I HEAR YOU RIGHT, THERE IS MONEYU TO BE MADE AS WELL AS A HUMANE WAY TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE.

CHRIS SMITH: OH, ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

HEDRICK SMITH: JIM JONES, THAT'S A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION. YOU SPEND YOUR TIME DOWNTOWN WITH BUSINESS LEADERS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND SO FORTH. YOU'VE HEARD THE DIALOGUE. IS IT FEAR, IS IT IGNORANCE, WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES PEOPLE HANG BACK?

JIM JONES: I HTINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS. I HTINK IT'S A LACK OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOTIVATIONS OF THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S A LACK OF APPRECIATION THAT WHAT BINDS US ALL TOGETHER IS A HELL OF A LOT MORE POWERFUL THAN WHAT DIVIDES US, THAT WE HAVE COMMONALITIES THAT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT, THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT. MAYBE IT WAS JACKIE, WHOEVER IT WAS THAT SAID IT-THAT BASICALLY WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WANT ARE THE SAME THINGS THE PEOPLE IN NORTHWEST WASHINGTON AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND FAIRFAX COUNTY AND PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY WANT, WHERE THEY WANT GOOD SCHOOLS FOR THEIR KIDS, THEY WANT SAFE STREETS, THEY WANT RELIABLE HONEST JOBS, THEY WANT DECENT HOMES.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THE SAME. THOSE ARE THE COMMONALITIES. AND I THINK, ONE, WE DON'T APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK, TOO, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE-FRANKLY, IT'S NOT THAT THEY THINK ABOUT ANACOSTIA AND REJECT IT, IT'S THAT THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.

HEDRICK SMITH: THAT IT'S THE FORGOTTEN STEPCHILD.

JIM JONES: IT'S SIMPLY NOT ON THE RADAR SCREEN. AND I THINK WHEN IT POPS UP ON HE RADAR SCREEN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY BUSY AND WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT A THOUSAND OTHER THINGS AND A HUNDRED PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT PLACES-IT POPS UP ON THE RADAR SCREEN AND THE FIRST THING THAT COMES UP IS, 'OH, ANACOSTIA, OH, I CLASSIFIED THAT LAST YEAR WHEN I SAW THAT BIT ON CHANNEL 4 THAT THAT'S WHERE THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN THE CITY-WHATEVER IT IS-IT'S ALREADY IN THE BOX. IT'S CLASSIFIED THAT WAY AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN,' SO I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PROJECT SOME PLACE ELSE.

AND I THINK THAT THE TASK WE HAVE TO DO IS TO-IS TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRUTH IS ABOUT HTIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE AREN'T EXPECTING THEM TO SOMEHOW COME UP WITH HTE MAJIC BULLET. THAT'S THE OTHER THING I HEAR A LOT FROM BUSINESS PEOPLE, 'WELL, YES, WE KNOW WE SHOLD BE DOING SOMETHING ACROSS THE RIVER, BUT GOSH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.'

'YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'ER NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF HELPING LOW INCOME PEOPLE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. WE DON'T KNOW-' YOU KNOW, FILL IN THE BLANK, WHATEVER IT IS. 'WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS.' AND I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET ACROSS IS THAT WE AREN'T ASKING YOU TO COME OVER AND PROVIDE THOSE SILVER BULLETS. WE'ER ASKING YOU TO COME OVER AND HELP US DO WHAT YOU KNOW HOW TO DO.

WE'LL DO THE STUFF OURSELVES. WE NEED SOME HELP. WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO TAP INTO FINANCIAL MARKETS. WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO GET THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY INTO OUR BUSINESS. WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MARKET NATIONALLY AND WE NEED TO KNOW ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO DO. AND SOP WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO IS COME OVER HERE AND SHARE WITH US WHAT YOU DO KNOW AND WHAT YOU DO EVERY DA. AND NOBODY IS SAYING THAT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNIT TODAY.

Across the River: Transcript For Segment 6 part 2

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HEDRICK SMITH: WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT-PRESS AND IMAGE AND ECONOMICS-IS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

JIM JONES: PRECISELY. JACKIE HAD IT ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SMITH:

SOMETHING INTANGIBLE BUT ABSOLUTELY CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT.

JIM JONES: RIGHT.

SMITH: JIM GIBSON, YOU WORK DAY IN AND DAY OUT WITH THE FEDERAL CITY COUNCIL. YOU'RE WORKING ON THE DC AGENDA. I KNOW YOU'VE GOT AN AGENDA, I'M SURE IT'S GOT ALL THE RIGHT THINGS ON IT, HEALTH AND HOUSING AND EDUCATION AND YOUTH AND JOBS, CRIME AND SAFETY AND SO FORTH. BUT IS THERE A SPACE ON THAT AGENDA-AND ARE WE THINKING-OUR MOST THOGHTFUL PEOPLE AND LEADERS-ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THE VALUE OF THIS COMMUNITY, THIS SENSE OF PARTNERSHIP AND HOW CRUCIAL IS THAT IN YOUR MIND? YOU'VE WORKED IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT. YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE FOUNDATION HERE. YOU'VE WORKED WITH A NATIONAL FOUNDATION, YOU'RE WITH THE URBAN INSTITUTE.

JIM GIBSON: I THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL TO ANY POTENTIAL THAT-WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON-MIGHT HAVE IS THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, IS THE CAPACITY TO GET PAST AND OVER STEREOTYPES IS TO GRECOGNIZE THE ASSETS AND RESOURCES THAT WARRANT INVESTMENT AND TO GET THAT INVESTMENT MOBILIZED AND FOCUSED. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

SMITH: WHERE DO YOU GET THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY? I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND WHEN I CAME OVER HERE WAS THIS-WAS THE SURPRISE TO ME THAT THERE WAS AS MUCH A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AS THERE IS HERE. I'VE SAT IN BLACK CHURCHES FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS AND I'VE SAT IN ANACOSTIA PARTNERSHIP MEETINGS FROM TWO OR THREE HOURS, AND OTHER PLACES. AND THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, THE DESIRE TO PULL TOGETHER IN SOME WAYS IS STRONGER OVER, AT LEAST BY MY EXPERIENCE, THAN IT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.

AND MY QUESTION IS, THIS IS A-THIS IS A CITY THAT FEELS DIVIDED. TED KOPPEL SEVERAL YEARS AGO HAD A PROGRAM HERE CALLED ‘WASHINGTON: DIVIDED CITY.' IT DIDN'T HAPPEN TO FOCUS ON THESE PROBLEMS, I DON'T THINK, BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT. ARE WE-IS THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BUISINESS COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT THE CITY-WIDE PROBLEMS, IS FOUNDING AND FORMING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON?

GIBSON: IT'S EMERGING. IT'S PART OF A TOUGH, DAUNTING JOB. WE HAVE GOT TO WAR AGAINST LONG AND DEEP RACIAL ISOLATION. WE HAVE GOT TO WAR AGAINST LONG, DEEP, AND WIDENING CLASS ISOLATION. WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC ISOLATION, WHICH LEADS TO CULTURAL, SOCIAL ISOLATION AND A WE-THEY SYNDROME THAT'S VERY POWERFUL.

A SET OF FORMULAS, STEREOTYPES AND UNFORTUNATELY LAZY WORK HABITS IN THE MEDIA THAT PERPETUATE THE SENSE OF FOCUS ON DEFICIT AS NEWS-THESE ARE ENDIMIC IN THIS SOCIETY. THEY'RE NOT JUST IN THIS TOWN, BUT THEY'RE ACROSS-WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO A CULTURE IN WHICH THERE IS A-A COMFORT OR AT LEAST A CAPACITY TO LIVE OVER TIME WITH ISOLATION FROM ONE ANOTHER. AND WE'VE GOT TO REBUILD THAT COMMUNITY. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO ALTERNATIVE.

SO, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S-I CAN SAY THAT WE'VE GO IT AS A COMMUNITY. I THINK WE HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO CONTINUE WORK ON IT. AND I THINK THERE ARE INCREASING NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, SOME OF THEM IN THIS ROOM, WHO ARE, IN FACT, OF THAT OPINION AND WHO ARE NETWROKING IN THEIR BUSINESS CIRCLES, WHO ARE NETWROKING IN THEIR CULTURAL CIRCLES AND CIVIC CIRCLESTO GET PEOPLE MIXED AND INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER SO THAT THERE IS, IN FACT, A KNOWLEDGE OF INDIVIDUALS. A CAPACITY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON TANGIBLE THINGS OF THE KIND THAT YOU'VE SHOWN HERE AND THUS GET PAST THE CONCEPTUAL SENSE OF WHAT ISN'T, AND BEGIN TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF COMMUNITY.

HEDRICK SMITH: I WANT-I SAW A LOT OF HANDS HERE. I WANT TO FIND OUT IF THERE ARE SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADD-LET'S STICK IF WE CAN FOR A MOMENT ON THIS THEME OF COMMUNITY, HOW WE GET TO IT AND HOW-WHY IT'S MISSING, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT. CAN YOU TELL US YOUR NAME, SIR, AND WHAT YOU DO, THEN GO RIGHT ON.

BUTCH HOPKINS: MY NAME IS BUTCH HOPKINS, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ANACOSTIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. AND JUST LET ME REGRESS FOR A MOMENT-

SMITH: CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HEAR YOU.

HOPKINS: THE ISSUE WAS RAISED EARLIER ABOUT THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTES IN MAKING DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN EAST OF THE RIVER. AND WHILE WE HAVE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT WILL PUT A LOT OFR MONEY IN TO REHABING AND AQUISITION OF REHABING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, WE FOUND A DIFFICULTY TO GET BANKS INVOVLED IN THE FINANCING OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WOULD BRING NEEDED JOBS INTO THE COMMUNITY.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE HAD THREE CDC'S-TWO THAT-

SMITH: COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS.

HOPKINS: CORRECT. TWO THAT EXISTED EAST OF THE RIVER, MARSHALL HEIGHTS, ANACOSTIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, I WILL ALSO ADD EAST OF THE RIVER. BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT WE ARE DOING WITH MARSHALL HEIGHTS AND THE H STREET CDC, WHICH EXISTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, WE ARE ACQUIRING THE SAFEWAY-THE GOOD HOPE MARKETPLACE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED BY SAFEWAY AT ALABAMA AVENUE AND GOOD HOPE ROAD-THAT'S GOING TO BE A 12 PLUS MILLION DOLLAR ACQUISITION. THERE'S GONIG TO BE MAINTENANCE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED JOBS AND CREATION OF ANOTHER 200 JOBS THAT WILL COME FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SMITH: BUT IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS MONEY, CAPITAL IS A CRITICAL PROBLEM. RIGHT? LET ME JUST HEAR YOU ON THAT.

HOPKINS: YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND WITH RESPECT TO THAT, WHILE WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDING US WITH A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT TO COVER OUR EQUITY INJECTION, WE ALSO HAVE THE CITY'S GOVERNMENT COMING TO OUR SUPPORT WITH A SECTION 108 LOAN FOR ABOUT 11 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. AND WE HAVE EQUITY INJECTIONS COMING FROM TWO CDC'S AND WE WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO-

SMITH: DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY OR NOT?

HOPKINS: NO. WE STILL NEED SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY, BUT WE HAVE NO BANK FINANCING FOR A COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT WILL CREATE OR HAVE A TOTAL OF 300 JOBS. WE'RE ALSO INVOLVED IN THE ACQUISITION OF LAND AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MAJOR PROJECT AT GATEWAY TO ANACOSTIA-AT GOOD HOPE ROAD AND MARTIN LUTHER KING AVENUE.

SMITH: WE WANT YOU TO HAVE GOOD LUCK ON THAT. WE'VE BEEN PASSING THAT ONE FOR A WHILE AND HOPING THAT ONE WOULD COME OFF. I WONDER IF WE CAN GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE A CHANCE. TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET A MICROPHONE OVER HERE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT. IF YOU-COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR REMARKS.

LAFAYETTE BARNES: YES, MY NAME IS LAFAYETTE BARNES. I'M A RESIDENT OF WAR 8 AND ALSO THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE WASHINGTON,DC CHAPTER OF CONCERNED BLACK MEN.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NOTICE IN TERMS OF BUILDING A SENS OF COMMUNITY IS THAT-AS YOU WENT AROUND OUR COMMUNITY HERE EAST OF THE RIVER-THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN HOUSES ALL OVER EAST OF THE RIVER. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THESE CHILREN IN TERMS OF BEUILDING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY DOESN'T COST A LOT OF MONEY, DOESN'T COST BUILDING A BRAND NEW BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.

WHEN I GREW UP AS A CHUILD, LOCAL BUSINESS AND LARGE BUSINESS SPONSORED TEAMS, SPONSORED A LOT OF SPORTS TEAMS. IT'S A SHAME TODAY THAT WE HAVE A GREAT STARTER SOCCER LEAGUE IN DC, BUT IT'S NOT EAST OF THE RIVER. THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOUNG PEOPLE WHO GROW UP EAST OF THE RIVER HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP NORTHWEST TO PLAY SOCCER.

WE, THE MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, OUGHT TO HAVE THE KIND OF SENSE OF COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY IS EXPANDED HERE EAST OF THE RIVER AND THAT OTHER BUSINESSES GET INVOLVED AND SUPPORT SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND OTHER YOUTH ORIENTS ACTIVITIES, SO ALL OF OUR CHILDREN CAN LEARN TOGETHER, CAN LEARN THE KIND OF VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ALL WANT IN WASHINGTON, DC.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGE THAT I WOULD ASK OF THIS CITY. TO MAKE SURE TAHT WHEN YOU GO HOME AND YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE NICE THINGS THAT THE KIDS ARE DOING WEST OF THE RIVER, REALIZE THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN EAST OF THE RIVER WHO WANT THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: SARA THOMPSON, YOU WORK WITH CHILDREN HERE. TALK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGHS THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT. PICK UP FROM THAT THEME. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT ISN'T MONEY THAT'S NEEDED, BUT OTHER THINGS. TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

SARA THOMPSON: ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS SARA THOMPSON. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF LOVE THY NEIGHBOR COMMUNITY AND, NO, IT IS NOT ALWAYS MONEY, HOWEVER IT DOES TAKE MOENY TO GET THINGS DONE. BUT IT TAKES-MORE IMPORTANTLY-IT TAKES TIME, LOVE, EDUCATION AND SINCERITY, YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE TO BE DEDICATED AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW CHILDREN LOVE AND CONCERN. AND YOU'VE GOT TO BE THERE. YOU'VE GOT TO BE CONSISTENT, SOMETHING I HEAR JACQUELINE MASSEY WITH ANACOSTIA PARTNERSHIP SAY A LOT-S THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SONSISTENCY.

A LOT OF CHILDREN DON'T HAVE CONSISTENCY IN THE HOME, SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN AND WORK WITH THEM, YOU CAN'T COME IN TODAY-AND I HEARD PETE JACKSON IN ALLIANCE OF CONCERNED MEN, WHOM I RESPECT AND LOVE THEIR WORK-BECAUSE I WORK WITH THEM, TOO-IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. YOU CAN'T JUST WORK WITH THEM TODAY AND COME BACK TOMORROW AND GOING ON.

I HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BEING AFRAID TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS OVER HERE AND IF YOU COULD HELP, WELL, I'M GOING TO STAND RIGHT HERE ANS I'M GOING TO TELL EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS SARA THOMPSON, I WORK FOR LOVE THY NEIGHBOR COMMUNITY, INC., WE'RE AT 2279 SAVANNAH STREET, SOUTHEAST. I'VE GOT SIX CHILDREN RIGHT HERE WHO LOVE THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY LIVE IN, THEY WORK REAL HARD AND-THERE'S ANOTHER YOUNG MAN WHO'S-

SMITH: THAT'S GREAT. WE'RE NOT DOING AN ADVERTISEMENT.

[LAUGHTER]

THOMPSON: OH, NO, NO, NO, NO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THOSE WHO SAY THAT THEY WANT TO HELP, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK THAT FAR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK VERY FAR TO SEE WHERE THE NEED IS.

SMITH: FINE, THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: WE GOT ONE IN THE BACK THERE...

REV. WELDON THOMAS: REVEREND WELDON THOMAS, I'M A PASTOR HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I APPRECIATE A LOT ABOUT THE FILM, I THINK IT'S-IT SPEAKS TO THE COMMUNITY IN THAT YOU NOTICE QUITE A BIT OF SELF-HELP. I THINK ABOUT THE LAST TIME WE WERE IN THIS ROOM WITH THE TED KOPPEL PIECE AND I THINK THE VERY LAST WOMAN THAT SPOKE SAID IT ALL ABOUT HOW WE FEEL.

AND THAT IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR HANDOUTS, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A HAND. A LOT OF US ARE MOTIVATED TO DO AND TO BUILD. WE ARE SELF-DETERMINED TO MAKE THIS ONE OF THE BEST PLACES IN THE WORLD TO LIVE. THERE ARE A SHORTAGE OF RESOURCES, SO WE CAN GET A HAND WITH THE RESOURCES, WE CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD AND THAT WILL BE A PLACE THAT MANY OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE PROUD TO COME AND LIVE IN.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: THANK YOU. THE ONE BACK HERE, IF YOU CAN. THIS LADY. WOULD YOU STAND, MA'AM, AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND THEN GO FOR IT.

TERRY JO COPELAND: I'M A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF MARSHALL HAIGHTS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. AND I AM A PRODUCT OF EAST OF THE RIVER. I WENT TO H.D. WOODSON HIGH SCHOOL. AND I WORKED FOR MHCDO TRYING TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT COMMUNITY IS THAT YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN INTO TWO PARTS, COMMON AND THEN UNITY. IT'S ABOUT EXPOSURE, OUR SIDE BEING EXPOSED TO THE CULTURE ACROSS THE RIVER AND ACROSS THE RIVER BEING EXPOSED TO THE CULTURES ON OUR SIDE AS WELL.

AND ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE-A POINT A DO WANT TO MAKE IS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE. EVERYONE HAS THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEN THERE'S ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY.

SMITH: THANK YOU. I WONDER IF WE CAN-YES PLEASE, GO AHEAD. DAVID ROBINSON, DO WE HAVE A MIKE OVER HERE? SHARE WITH US WHO YOU ARE AND THEN YOUR VIEW.

PHIL COLLIER: I'M PHIL COLLIER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GREATER DC CARES. WE CONNECT PEOPLE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO VOLUNTEER WITH THE MANY THOUSANDS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED VOLUNTEERS.

YOU'VE MADE THIS FILM ABOUT A RIVER. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE OUGHT TO-WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT THIS RIVER IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THIS RIVER DOESN'T DIVIDE US. TO BE A RIVER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SHORES. IF IT WEREN'T A RIVER, IT WOULD BE FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES A SEA, BE A GULF, BE AN OCEAN. IT WOULD HAVE ONLY ONE SHORE. THIS RIVER HAS TWO SHORES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD THINK OF IT IN THE SENSE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE JUST ALIKE AND SO THESE SHORES OF THIS RIVER IS NOT A GULF, IT'S NOT AN OCEAN, IT CONNECTS US.

SMITH: I WONDER IF I CAN ASK DR. JOE CARTER-WHERE IS HE? IS HE HERE, PRINCIPAL OF DRAPER SCHOOL. JOE CARTER? I SAW HIM EARLIER. TANYA ESSIG, IS SHE HERE? TANYA, YOU'RE BACK HERE...

ONE OF THE THIGS THAT WE SAW IN THE SECTION OF THE FILM ABOUT THE PUBLIC SERVICE ACADEMY OUTREACH PROGRAM IS YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THIS PART OF THE RIVER CROSSING THE RIVER AND GOING INTO INTERNSHIPS DOWNTOWN. WE'RE TALKIGN ABOTU RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. HOW HARD IS IT TO FIND OPENINGS. HOW HARD IS IT TO FIND PEOPLE-EITHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES OR BUSINESSES THAT WILL TAKE TIME AND WORK WITH THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.

MY EXPERIENCE IN LOOKING INTO THIS KIND OF PROJECT IN OTHER CITIES IS THAT NOT ONLY AT THE END OF IT DO THE YOUND PEOPLE SAY THEY'VE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE, BUT THE ADULTS DO. THEY SAY, ‘MY GOSH, WE MET PEOPLE WE NEVER KNEW BEFORE,' AND WHAT THEY WERE LIKE. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RESOURCES IN THAT SENSE, THAT IS THE OPENINGS, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE AND WHAT YOU NEED.

TANYA ESSIG: THAT'S VERY TRUE. LOTS OF TIMES BUSINESSES ARE JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS OF GIVING THEIR TIME, HELPING OUT THE COMMUNITY AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT IT. SO MANY TIMES WE GO INTO BUSINESSES AND THEY'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP OUT WITH SHADOWING AND MENTORING AND HELPING THE STUDENTS. THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IN TODAY'S WORLD, THEY'RE JUST TOO BUSY TO GET OUT AND SEARCH FOR IT. BUT AS SOON AS YOU GO TO THEM, THEY HAVE AN OPEN HAND AND THEY'RE VERY WELCOMING TO THE STUDENTS.

SMITH: SO DO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITES OR DO YOU NEED MORE?

ESSIG: WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS USE MORE, BUT, YES, WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY IN THE PAST.

SMITH: BUT THAT SENSE OF OPENING, THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY OPENS UP A TREMENDOUS SET OF OPPORTUNITES. THAT'S A CRITICAL INGREDIENT TO THE PROGRAM.

ESSIG: DEFINITELY. IT WORKS-

SMITH: WHAT ABOUT-IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO-WHO IS IN THE SCHOOL BUSINESS, WHO IS IN EDUCATION, I THOUGHT DR. CARTER WAS HERE-PARTICULARLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF YOU GO TO A NUMBER OF INER CITY SCHOOLS-AT LEAST AS I HAVE-I FOUND THAT MENTORING PROGRAMS ARE ENOURMOUSLY IMPORTANT, EITHER MENTORING IN SCHOOL OR AFTER SCHOOL TUTORING, AND SO FORTH.

AND SOME-SOME CITIES, UNIVERSITY STUDENTS VOLUNTEER TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF TIME-INTERFAITH CHURCH GROUPS INVOVLE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME-BUSINESS GROUPS AND OTHER GROUPS OFFER A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HUMAN TIME. IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. I WONDER IF YOU WOULD TELL US WHAT YOUR SCHOOL IS, WHETHER OR NOT THAT KIND OF NEED IS APPARENT AND WHAT IS BEING FILLED.

BABA EATERY: MY NAME IS BABA EATERY. I RAN A CHILD DEVELPMENT CENTER IN COLUMBIA HEIGHTS. I INTERFACE A GREAT DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, BECAUSE WE SERVE THE CHILDREN IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME AS I HEAR ALL THE DIALOGUE TONIGHT ABOUT HOW DO WE GET DEVELOPERS IN AND HOW DO WE BRING RESOURCES IN-IS THAT WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE CHILDREN CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER ACROSS THE RIVER, NOT CHILDREN TO COME OVER AND HELP OVER HERE. BUT RATHER THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OVER HERE THAT OUR CHILDREN NEED TO LEARN THAT HAPPENS HERE IN ANACOSTIA, THAT CHILDREN WHO LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER NEED TO LEARN FROM AND VICE-VERSA.

SO THAT IT IS MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP, OF A COMING TOGETHER, THAN OF-OF LENDING A HAND. IT IS A MUTUAL-IT IS GETTING THAT NEXT GENERATION TO SEE AS PART OF THE ROLE THAT THE CITY AS A WHOLE-THAT THEY INVEST IN THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

THERE SEEMS TO BE-WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO-WHOSE CULTURE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE. WE'VE GOT THAT NEW THREAD IN THE NEW, IN THE NEXT GENERATION FOR WHOM IT'S GOIGN TO BE NATURAL TO GO ACROSS THE RIVER AND THAT MEANS DOING FIELD TRIPS FROM YOUR SCHOOLS TO NEIGHBORHOODS IN ANACOSTIA AND SHOWING THE HISTORY ON THIS SIDE AND VICE-VERSA SO THAT FOR CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN, IT'S NATURAL TO COME ACROSS. AND BE ABLE TO THEN DEAL WITH EACH OTHER AS ADULTS AS WE DO NOW IN THE REBUILDING OF THE CITY AND THE PULLING IT TOGETHER.

SMITH: THANK YOU. I NOTICE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU IS BRENDA JONES WHO RUNS THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT PARKLANDS. I WONDER-THE MIKE NEEDS TO COME UP JUST A LONE MORE-JUST ONE MORE AILSE. I WONDER, BRENDA, IF YOU WOULD STAND AND TELL US IN TERMS OF THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED IN RUNNING THAT COMMUNITY CENTER, WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE OR OTHERWISE-WHERE DO YOU REACH OUT TO, HOW DO YOU MAKE CONTACT, WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS?

BRENDA JONES: WELL, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO EVERYONEBODY HERE RECENTLY. WE ARE A VENDOR WITH THE DC GOVERNMENT AND WE'VE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE BUDGET CUTS. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN DIRE NEED OF-TO REBUILD OUR TUTORIAL PROGRAM UP. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD TO LET SIX PEOPLE GO IN MAY. AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 15 YEARS THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A TUTORIAL PROGRAM. SO, WE TRULY NEED AT-NOT NECESSARILY MONEY BUT VOLUNTEERS TO COME HELP REBUILD THE TUTORIAL-

SMITH: NOW, WHY IS THAT THAT YOU HAVE A-IS IT CITY FUNDS YOU DIDN'T HAVE?

BRENDA JONES: THE CITY FUNDS. WE WERE BASICLY-OUR MAIN FUNDING WAS THE DC GOVERNMENT.

SMITH: AND NOW, YOU'RE FEELING DIRECT IMPACT?

BRENDA JONES: OH, NO QUESTION, NOW. OF COURSE NOW I'M REACHING OUT TO FOUNDATIONS. WE'RE SENDING OUT PROPOSALS. SO TRULY, MANPOWER-MY BOOKEEPER'S GONE. I NEED, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH OUR FINANCIAL RECORDS, JUST TO KIND OF GET BACK ON BOARD, YOU KNOW. WE'RE STILL THERE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR PROGRAMS ARE CUT BACK.

SMITH:

ARRINGTON DIXON, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?

DIXON: YEAH, I WANTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE ABOUT THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF THIS-JONES HAS STARTED THE DISCUSSION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MENTORING YOUNG PEOPLE. WE'VE GOT DREAMERS PROGRAMS IN THE SCHOOLS, WHERE KIDS WILL GO TO COLLEGE. BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND TRY TO HAVE THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE COME BACK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE INVOLVED IN BUSINESS, THEY HAVE TO GO UPTOWN OR ROCKVILLE TO GET A JOB AS AN INTERN OR LOOK FOR SOMEBODY UPTOWN TO TAKE THEM SO THEY CAN-ACROSS THE RIVER-SO THEY CAN GET EXPERIENCE.

WE NEED THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY-AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'M VERY-I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT-I'VE BEEN A PAYING MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TRADE AND EXCEPTIONALLY ACTIVE WITH THE BOARD OF TRADE AS A POLITICIAN. I'M A NATIVE OF ANACOSTIA AND I HAVE A BUSINESS HERE. AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE SORT OF EMBRAC E ME, IF YOU WILL, AND OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE LAMONTIES RESTAURANT AND NOT-NOT GUIDE US, BUT MENTOR US SO WE CAN BE A RECIPIENT OF SOME OF THESE STUDENTS AND SOME OF THESE CHILDREN BACK IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE CAN BECOME ECONOMIC FORDES THAT CAN BE ACTIVE BOTH COMMUNITY WISE AS WELL AS POITICALLY AND OTHER WAYS.

AND-I MEAN, WITHOUT HAVING JOBS TO TEACH PEOPLE TO WORK IN SOME OTHER PART OF THE WORLD DOESN'T REALLY FOSTER AND STRENGTHEN THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY. SO, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GIVE US ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT BY HELPING US NURTURE AND CREATE EFFECTIGVE AND STRONG BUSINESSES.

AND THER'S GOT TO BE WITHIN THE BOARD OF TRADE AND I KNOW IT PRETTY WELL-BOB AND OTHERS KNOW ME-THEY CAN DO THAT BY NURTURING AND LOOKING-THERE HAVE OT TO BE PROGRAMS THAT THEY CAN CREATE THAT CAN HELP ANACOSTIA BE STRONG NOT ONLY WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, WITH GOOD PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE FILM, BUT BUSINESSES THAT WILL BECOME RECIPIENTS AND CAN GROW AND BE STRONG IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SMITH: THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

INTERVIEWEE: ....WORK WITH JACKIE LINDSAY OR BRENDA RICHARDSON OR THE DC PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR THE TJ REEVES WITHOUT SEEING THAT THERE'S NOT ONLY A HUNGER FOR EXCELLENCE BUT A DRIVE FOR EXCELLENCE. AND WHEN WE WORK WITH THE BUSINESS PARTNERS, IT IS CONTAGIOUS TO COME HERE. WHETHER YOU'RE EAST OF THE RIVER OR WEST OF THE RIVER, THERE IS A COMMUNITY SPIRIT HERE THAT IS CONTAGIOUS.V IF I BRING AN ARNOLD AND PORTER HERE, THEY WILL STAY. THERE IS A SPIRIT THAT CONTINUES TO BE NUTURED, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

BUT NERE WE HAVE OUR RESOURCES, WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WE HAVE THE SKILLS, WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE IS AND HOW TO WORK OUT OUR CULTURAL DIFFERENCES, OUR RACIAL DIFFERENCES, OUR ECONOMIC DIFFERENCES. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THIS COMMUNITY WITH YOU-QUESTION IN THE BEGINNING-WE WILL STRIVE, WE WILL FLOURISH. THESE HEROES ARE NEVER GOING TO BE LOST.

SMITH: I WONDER FATHER FRANK, IF I CAN ASK YOU-BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE INVOLVED I NTHE WASHINGTON INTERFAITH NETWORK-WHAT IS IT THAT CHURCHES AROUND THE CITY, NOT JUST YOURS HERE, FOR WHICH WE'RE GREATFUL TO HAVE A SITE-BUT OTHER CHURCHES AROUND THE CITY ARE DOING, ORGANIZING, IN ORDER TO MEET SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED TONIGHT?

FATHER FRANK: WELL, WASHINGTON INTERFAITH NETWORK IS PART OF A NUMBER OF SISTER ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE GROWN OUT OF SOL OLINSKI'S PHILOSOPHY OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZING AND THAT IS, BUILD A CHURCH BUILD A CHURCH-BASED ORGANIZATION THAT IS INTERFAITH AND INTERRACIAL, ENCOMPASS THE CITY, DO THE RESEARCH TO SURFACE THOSE ISSUES THAT WE CAN RALLY AROUND AND RESPOND TO AND TO WORK AS PARTNERS WITH BUSINESS AND WITH GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE GOVERNMENT.

AND-IT'S A NEW HOPE IT SEEMS TO ME FOR WASHINGTON, DC. I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE NOW FOR TWO YEARS AFTER A 15 YEAR ABSENCE AND THERE IS NO INTERFAITH OR INTERRACIAL GROUP THAT IS WORKING-YES, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON DIRECT SERVICES, BUT OF GETTING TO THE TABLE WHERE THE DEALS ARE MADE, WHERE THE PLANS ARE MADE, TO BE INCLUDED IN THE EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF JOBS AND EDUCATION AND OF HOUSING AND OF CRIME AND SAFETY.

SMITH: AND WE'RE TALKING HOW MANY CHURCHES AND HOW MANY PEOPLE AND HOW MANY FAITHS AND WHAT KINDS OF PROJECTS?

FATHER FRANK: WELL, RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 50 CHURCHES ACROSS THE CITY THAT ARE INTERFAITH, INTERRACIAL, THAT INCLUDES BOTH JEWISH AND ISLAMIC, AS WELL AS ORIENTAL AND WHITE AND BLACK AND BROWN, HISPANIC-DIFFERENT FAITHS IN ORDER TO-THEY'RE RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS OF-

SMITH: AND YOUR AGENDA IS-WHAT TOPICS?

FATHER FRANK: WE HAVE FIVE-FIVE AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW WHICH IS IN TERMS OF HOUSING, IN TERMS OF JOBS, CRIME AND SAFETY, EDUCATION, YOUTH AND RECREATION.

THERE ARE-HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS SUMMER SOME 260 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN MEETING AND DOING STUDY AND RESEARCHIN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE SO OFTEN PEOPLE LIKE TO INTIMIDATE YOU WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, AND TO BE THEN A POWERFUL FORCE.

AND IF THE ORGANIZATION NETWORK THAT PROVIDES THESE ORGANIZERS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED ACROSS THE NATION-IN BALTIMORE, WHICH HAS THE COMMONWEALTH PROGRAM THAT-WHICH WORKED WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO CREATE A 30 MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM TO PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR STUDENTS AS WELL AS JOBS IF THEY STAYED IN SCHOOL AND GOT GOOD GRADES; TO WORK WITH THE NIAMIAH PROJECT-

SMITH: EXCUSE ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN BRING YOU BACK TO WASHINGTON, OKAY?

[LAUGHTER]

SMITH: WE LOVE BALTIMORE, BUT THEY'VE GOT A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM AND WE DON'T, RIGHT?

[LAUGHTER]

SMITH: SO LET ME BRING YOU BACK TO WASHINGTON.

FATHER FRANK: I'M USING THOSE EXAMPLES TO SHOW THAT WE CAN-WHAT IS DONE ELSEWHERE CAN ALSO BE DONE HERE. BUT WE HAVE TO PULL THE PEOPLE AND THE RESOURCES TOGETHER ACROSS THE CITY AND TO ME, IT'S ONE. WE'RE NOT-WE'RE THE LATEST, WE'RE NOT THE-WE HAVEN'T GOT A TRACK RECORD, YET, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAT TRACK RECORD WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US, I THINK, TO REALLY DO SOMETHING IN WASHINGTON.

SMITH:

GREAT, THANK YOU. REVEREND SHROPSHIRE IS HERE FROM ONE OF THE CHURCHES ACROSS THE RIVER. I WONDER IF YOU WOULD SHARE WIT HUS YOUR OWN THINKING ABOU TWHAT SOME OF THE CHURCHES IN DOWNTOWN-AND SOME OF THE SUBURBS AND SO FORTH-YOU'VE GOT SOME BACKGROUND HERE. SHARE WITH US YOUR BACKGROUND IN ANACOSTIA QUICKLY AND THEN-

REV. SHROPSHIRE: I'M A NATIVE OF ANACOSTIA. I GREW UP HERE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME THROUGH TO ME IN THE FILM WAS THE SPIRITUALITY AND THE EXPANDING OF THE UNIVERSE. AND I THINK THE CHURCHES COULD REALLY SERVE A ROLE IN CONVEYING TO THEIR CONGREGATIONS THE GOOD THINGS WHICH ARE HAPPENING HERE SO THAT WE CAN BECOME INVOLVED IN THEM IN A MORE DIRECT WAY.

I SERVE A CHURCH WHICH IS CLOSE TO DUPONT CIRCLE AND IT WOULD SEM TO ME THAT SOME LIASONS COULD WELL TAKE PLACE BETWEEN MY CONGREGATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

SMITH: AND DO YOU SEE SOME OPPORTUNITIES AFTER TONIGHT?

REV. SHROPSHIRE: OH, ABSOLUTELY. I'VE MET SOME REALLY INTERESTING PEOPLE TONIGHT THAT I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THEIR PHONE NUMBERS.

[LAUGHTER]

SMITH: I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION THAT KIND OF GOT BURIED IN THE POLITICS OF 1994, NEAR THE END OF THE ELECTION. I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT MIDNIGHT BASKETBALL BECAUSE IT'S A FORGOTTEN TOPIC AND I WANT TO ASK TOM BLACKBURN, WHOM YOU SAW IN THE FILM, WHO'S DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY POLICING FOR THE DC POLICE DEPARTMENT. TOM, WILL YOU GET UP AND TALK TO ME ABOUT-WHAT CAN YOU-IS MIDNIGHT BASKETBALL-DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE, DOES IT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF REACHING OUT TO YOUNG PEOPLE?

TOM BLACKBURN: I THINK MIDNIGHT BASKETBALL IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS FOR GETTING YOUNG KIDS OFF THE STREETS. I MEAN, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE IDLENESS. WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE. WE HAD 17 TEAMS, ALL FROM PUBLIC HOUSING. WE OPERATED EVERY THURSDAY, FRIDAY, AND SATURDAY NIGHT FROM 8 ‘TILL 2 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

BUT MORE THAN BASKETBALL, IT WAS ABOUT BRINGING YOUNG PEOPLE INTO A GYM-TO A SAFE HAVEN WHERE WE COULD GET THEM BACK INTO SCHOOL, WHERE WE SOULD PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, HEALTH CARE SERVICES, AIDS AWARENESS-ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS TOOK PLACE. AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE WAS WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE INTO COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS. THERE WERE YOUNG PEOPLE THERE WHO COULD PLAY DIVISION ONE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.

SMITH: WHAT DREW THEM THERE? WAS IT THE POLICE AND THE OPEN ARMS OF THE POLICE?

BLACKBURN: IT WAS THE POLICE. IT WAS THE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO THEM. IT WAS BEING IN A SAE HAVEN WHERE THEY KNEW THAT THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE A SHOOTING, THERE WAS NOT GONIG TO BE A FIGHT, AND THEY FELT SECURE AND A SENSE OF HOPE.

SMITH: AND AS A POLICEMAN-I'M SORRY, WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS MICROPHONE-IT'S NOT PICKING UP SOUND. I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU, TOM, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH OF THE ANSWER YOU GOT...OKAY, LET ME JUST ASK YOU AGAIN, WHAT WAS IT THAT BROUGHT THE YOUNG PEOPLE THERE, THE OPEN ARMS OFTHE COPS OR DID YOU HAVEBIG TIME STARS THERE OR WHAT WAS IT?

BLACKBURN: IT WAS THE ATMOSPHERE, NUMBER ONE. WE HAD AS MANY AS 400 PEOPLE THERE EVERY NIGHT-THAT WAS FAMILY MEMBERS. IT WAS A SAFE HAVEN. IT WAS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FELT VERY COMFORTABLE TO COME. THEY KNEW THEY COULD-YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GET A HOT DOG AND THEY COULD GET A BAG OF CHIPS AND A SODA FOR LESS THAN A DOLLAR. IT WAS THE KIND OF PLACE WHERE KIDS COULD HAVE FUN. WE GAVE AWAY T-SHIRTS AT NIGHT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE JOB OPORTUNITIES, TO GET BACK IN SCHOOL, TO PURSUE YOUR GED AND ALL THE OTHER KINDS OF WHOLESOME THINGS THAT EVERY OTHER KID WANTS TO DO THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SMITH: STEPPING BACK FROM THAT A MOMENT, JUST THE HARD QUESTION, DID THE CRIME RATE GO DOWN WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING THAT PROGRAM?

BLACKBURN: ABSOLUTELY. WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE INCIDENT OF VIOLENCE DURING THE WHOLE SIX OMNTHS THAT WE OPERATED THE PROGRAM.

SMITH: NOT ONE?

BLACKBURN: NOT ONE.

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: LET ME JUST PURSUE THIS JUST ONE MORE MOMENT WITH YOU. IS THE PROGRAM STILL GOING?

BLACKBURN: NO, IT IS NOT.

SMITH: WHY NOT?

BLACKBURN: BECAUSE OF FUNDING CUTS. BECAUSE PEOPLE-THERE IS THIS TREMENDOUS GULF BETWEEN THE PEOLPE AT THE TOP WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS AND THOSE OF US WHO ARE PRACTITIONERS AT THE BOTTOM, WHO KNOW THE DETAILS, WHO UNDERSTAND THE COMPOSITION, WHO CAN MAKE DIFFERENT-BETTER DECISIONS THAN THOSE AT THE TOP CAN.

[APPLAUSE]

AND MANY TIMES WE AREN'T GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY-

SMITH: EXCUSE ME, I LOVE YOUR APPLAUSE FOR HIM. BUT I GOT TO ASK YOU TO SAY THAT AGAIN, BECASUE THE APPLAUSE DROWNED OUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING...

[LAUGHTER]

BALCKBURN: I WAS SAYING THERE IS THIS TREMENDOUS GULF BETWEEN POLICY MAKERS AT THE TOP AND THOSE OF US WHO ARE PRACTITIONERS AND WORKERS AT THE BOTTOM. MANY TIMES WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET THE PROPER INFORMATION, NOBODY REALLY QUERIES US ABOUT WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO. THE DETAILS OF THE INFORMATION ARE THERE, BUT YOU KNOW-SOCIALIZATION DOESN'T CONNECT WITH THEIRS MANY TIMES AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

SMITH: GREG, YOU WORK WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, I THINK, OVER AT THE MARSHALL HEIGHTS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. TELL ME, WHAT DOES IT TAKE. WHAT CAN YOU DO AND WHAT KIND OF RESULTS CAN YOU SEE FROM THE KIND OF PROGRAM YOU'RE RUNNING?

GREG: WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE CREATION OF OPPORTUNITIES, THE CREATION OF VIABLE ALTERNATIVES FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN STRUCTURED, POSITIVE, ACTIVITIES SUCH AS WHAT TOM IS WORKING-WE'VE WORKED WITH TOM WITH THAT ACTIVITY.

OUR ORGANIZATION HAS FOCUSED ON THE HOLISITC APPROACH TO COMMUNIT DEVELOPMENT. WE NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE CREATION OF HOUSING, OF BRICKS AND MORTARS OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAMS OR JOBS. BUT YOU LOOK AT THAT FAMILY, TRY TO DECIDE WHAT-WITH THAT FAMILY-WHAT ARE THE BASIC NEEDS.

ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS IN THE WARD 7 COMMUNITY HAS BEEN OUT-MIGRATION OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS. A LOT OF THE ISSUES HAT HAVE COME UP OVER THE SMALLER PROGRAMS OUT HERE IS THE BUDGET FUNDS FROM THE DISTRICT GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN CUT. THAT IS A RESULT OF THE REACTION OF THE TAX BASE. WE NEED TO CREATE A COMMUNITY THAT IS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO NEW RESIDENTS. THAT'S WHERE WE START IMPROVING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. ASA PARENT, I WAS SHARING WITH SOME OF THE AUDIENCE HERE, I'M FORCED-NOT FORCED, BUT I CHOOSE TO PAY AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF WHAT I WOULD CALL DISPOSABLE INCOME FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLING FOR MY DAUGHTERS.

WHAT YOUNG FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN MOVING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD-IS THE FIRST THING THEY SEE IS-WHAT ARE THE SCHOOLS LIKE. WE HAVE TO PUT OUR EFFORTS INTO IMPROVING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. WHEN YOU ATTRACT THOSE FAMILIES IN, YOU HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS THAT YOU NEED, YOU HAVE THE CONTRIBUTORS THAT YOU NEED. YOU ALSO HAVE MEMBERS OF CHURCHES THAT THEN CAN CONTRIBUTE THEIR FUNDS.

IN WARD 7, WE HAVE OVER 100 CHURCHES. PERHAPS THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES ARE EXISTING. IN THE STRIP NEAR OUR OFFICE, WE HAVE THREE BANKS AND TWO MAJOR GROCERY STORE CHAINS, ALL VIABLE BUSINESSES. THE RESOURCES ARE HERE, BUT THE FOCUS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH OUR RESOURCES AND HOW THAT CAN AFFECT THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN-THAT IS WHERE WE NEED TO CHALLENGE OURSELVES.

SMITH: GREAT, THANK YOU. T.J. REEVES WHERE ARE YOU? I NEED TO CATCH UP. T.J. IS NOW WORKING FOR THE SECRET SERVICE AND IS GOING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA, GREENSBORO, ID THAT RIGHT?

[APPLAUSE]

SMITH: WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOUTH PROGRAMS. TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOUTH PROGRAMS MEAN TO YOU, WHAT THEY'VE MEANT TO YOU, AND HOW IT'S AFFECTED WHERE YOU'RE GONIG IN YOUR LIFE?

T.J. REEVES: I FEEL THAT PROGRAMS LIKE THESE ARE REALLY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE STUDENTS LIKE ME AND LAWRENCY BOONE-WE GOT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE NEVER HAD BEFORE SUCH AS-A STUDENT LIKE LAWRENCY WHOSE FUTURE WAS CRIME AND VIOLENCEAND ALL THAT-HE WENT TO A PROGRAM THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE COMPLETELY. THROUGH THEM THEY HELPED HIM SEE THE LIGHT AND NOW HE'S THE GRADUATE OF A HIGH SCHOOL.

AND FOR ME I FEEL THAT A PROGRAM LIKE THE PUBLIC SERVICE ACADEMY IS BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WIT HALL MY TALENTS, I DID NOT AHVE ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE-THAT WERE NOT GIVEN TO ME AS A YOUTH-IN MY CHILDHOOD-BUT BECAUE OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE ACADEMY, I'VE GOT A FOUNDATION I COULD BUILD OFF TO REACH MY GOAL.

SMITH: WHAT WAS THE KEY, T.J.? I MEAN, I HAD A SENSE THAT A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE-YOUR PARENTS, BUT ALSO AT SCHOOL-SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL-I HAD A SENSE THAT THTAT CONNECTION, PERSONAL CONECTION WAS TERRIBLY IMPORTANT TO YOU. TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT.

REEVES: I FEEL THAT-I HAD A LOT OF-PEOPLE WHO TALKED TO ME IN MY YOUTH SUCH AS MY FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS AND MY TEACHERS AND THROUGH ALL THEIR CARING AND UNDERSTANDING THEY HELPED ME BECOME THE PERSON I AM TODAY. WITHOUT THEM, I WOULD NOT BE HERE, NOT GOING TO COLLEGE.

I DON'T KNOW-AT THE BEGINNING OF MY SCHOOL YEAR, I FELT LIKE I WAS JUST READY TO GIVE UP, NOT GO ON, I WAS LIKE-MY GRADE 12 YEAR, I FELT LIKE EVERYTHING IS DEPRESSING ME, PRESSING ME DOWN, LIKE I CANNOT GO ANY FURTHER. LET ME JUST DROP OUT AND BE ANOTHER STATISTIC.

BUT THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS AND THROUT THE PEOPEL THAT WORKS IN-

SMITH: WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOT?

REEVES: SUCH AS SUSAN THOMAS, JOHN STONE, MR. BROWN, ALL OF THEM, PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC SERVICE ACADEMY-I HAVE NOW SOMETHING TO LOOKFORWARD TO.

SMITH: GREAT, GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

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SMITH: YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW, BY THE WAY, THAT LAWRENCY BOONE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE IS AT SAVANNAH STATE COLLEGE IN GEORGIA.

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SMITH: GOT ONE BACK THERE? CAN I GET A MICROPHONE BACK HERE?

TANISHA BAILY: MY NAME IS TANISHA BAILY. I'M A SENIOR AT THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITY IN NORTHWEST WASHINGTON, DC. I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, I'M NOT EVEN A MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WAS SAID TO ME WHEN I CAME TO WASHINGTON WAS TO STAY OUT OF SOUTHEAST. ‘YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THERE AFTER DARK...IT'S A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD...' AND I'VE SEEN FOR MYSELF HOW THIS COMING HERE ONIGHT HAS ENLIGHTENED ME ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING FACED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR WITHIN THESE COMMUNITIES.

MY QUESTION IS THE PRESS-AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MEDIA'S ROLE IN PERPETUATION THESE STEREOTYPES. WHAT COMMITMENT IS GOING TO BE MADE TONIGHT BY THE PEOPLE HERE, SITTING-WHO SAW THE FILM AND HAVE HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND THE DIALOGUE-WHAT WHAT COMMITTMENT IS GOING TO BE MADE SO THAT WHEN IT-LIGHTS GO OFF AND THE CAMERAS ARE PUT AWAY THIS EVENING THIS ISSUE IS NOT GOING TO DIE TONIGHT. IT'S GOING TO COME BACK, WE'ER GONIG TO REVISIT IT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW IT'S-HOW IT'S PROGRESSING TO ENSURE THAT THIS WILL BECOME A THRIVING NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT JUST THIS ANACOSTIA, BUT A LOT OF OTHER ECONOMICALLY STARVED COMMUNITIES I NTHE UNITED STATES.

WHAT COMMITMENT IS GOING TO BE MADE THIS EVEING BY THE MEMEBERS OF THE PRESS AND THE MEDIA, AS WELL AS THE PERSONAL COMMITMENTS TO INSURE THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE.

SMITH: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, THIS IS WHERE WE COME TO. JIM JONES, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

JONES: I THINK WHERE WE GO IS TO CONTINUE THE DIALOG. WE HAVE MADE AN EXCELLENT START. THIS-AND AS GOOD AS THIS IS-I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT THE ONLY DIALOG GOING ON WITHIN THIS CITY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT AS SERIOUS AS THE CITY'S FISCAL CRISIS HAS BEEN AND AS DEVASTATING ON PROGRAMS THAT ARE OF GREAT IMPORTANCE TO ALL OF US-IT HAS HAD ONE BENEFICIAL EFFECT, IN MY JUDGEMENT, MAYBE MORE THAN ONE, BUT AT LEAST ONE-AND THAT IS THAT IT HAS GENERATED WEST OF THE RIVER MORE DISCUSSION AND MORE DIALOG AND MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COMMUNITY THAN I CAN REMEMBER IN THE 25 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN THIS CITY.

AND IF WE CAN TAKE THIS CRISIS AND TURN THAT INTO AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS KIND OF DIALOG AND TO KEEP IT GOING-BECAUSE THINGS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE OVERNIGHT. THESE PROBLEMS AND THE ATTITUDES AND THE STEREOTYPES WEREN'T FORMED OVERNIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY OVERNIGHT. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP TALKING AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT'S HERE TONIGHT AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE AND THE COMMITMENT THAT WE'VE ALL GOT TO MAKE GOING OUT OF HERE.

SMITH: BOB BROWN, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, FRO MYOUR PERSPECTIVE. WHERE DO YOU WANT US TO GO FROM HERE?

BROWN: IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST TALKING. THE DIALOG IS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE IS BEING IN ACTION WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO, YOU'RE NOT JUST DOING THE TALKING, YOU'RE DOING THE TOUCHING. I THINK THAT'S AMPLY DEMONSTRATED BY THE BROTHERS FROM THE ALLIANCE WHO NOT ONLY TALK TO THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT THEY WORK WITH, BUT THEY TOUCHED THEM.

THEY DID THINGS WITH THEM. THEY DID THINGS FOR THEM IN SUPPORT OF THEM AS WELL AS IN SERVICE OF THEM. SO WE HAVE TO MOVE BEYOND JUST THE DIALOGUE BUT CONTINUE TO BE IN ACTION WITH ONE ANOTHER WITH LOVE AS BEING THE CENTER OF THAT ACTION.

AND IF WE LOOK AT LOVE AS BEING THE SPIRITUALITY THAT BINDS US TOGETHER, THAT IS I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOU ASA HUMAN BEING-AND, THEREFORE, I WANT TO BUILD YOU UP INSTEAD OF DIMINISH YOU AND YOU-AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ME AS A HUMAN BEING, THEN I THINK THEY'LL BE ALL RIGHT. WE AHVE TO REALLY LEARN AGAIN HOW TO LOVE EACH OTHER AS HUMAN BEINGS AND NOT AS DOLLAR SIGNS.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS IS IN THIS PARTICULAR COUNTRY IS THAT WE HAVE KIND OF MADE OURSELVES COMMODITIES AND HAVE LOST OUR HUMANITY. WHEN I DEAL WITH THE YOUNG BROTHERS AND SISTERS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CREAM, YOU KNOW, CASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY FRIGHTENS ME IS THAT WE TEND TO LOOK AT PEOPLE AS DOLLAR SIGN OF PROFIT AND NOT AS HUMAN BEINGS. AND WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS FIRST.

SMITH: THANK YOU. SUE MARSHALL, ONE OF YOUR JOBS IS TO LINK UP WITH ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE AROUND THIS CITY. IF WE WANT TO CARRY THIS FURTHER, WHO ELSE DO WE NEED AT THE TABLE. WHO'S MISSING HERE THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE?

SUE MARSHALL: I QUITE FRANKLY WOULD RATHER FOCUS ONTHOSE OF US WHO ARE HERE AND-

SMITH: WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WHAT CAN WE DO?

MARSHALL: I THINK EACH ONE OF US LEARNED SOMETHING THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE OR WE HAD SOMETHING WE KNOW UNDERLINED FOR US AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE OTHER PEOPLE. I STARTED OUT BY SAYING, WE SAW SOME FANTASTIC POSITIVE IMAGES OF BLACK MEN, SO I WOULD CHALLENGE EVERY ONE OF US HERE, THE NEXT TIME YOU HEAR SOMETHING UGLY ABOUT BLACK MEN, REMIND THE PEOPLE YOU ARE AROUND OF THIS GREAT THING THAT YOU SAW HERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS EXISTS.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I BELIEVE WE NEED TO CARRY AWAY FROM THIS EXPERIENCE-AND I SAW FRIEDA MURRAY IN HERE EARLIER-IS THAT WE HAVE TO CELEBRATE THE GOODNESS ABOUT OURSELVES. WE'VE DONE THIS AND WE'VE ALL INTRODUCED OURSELVES TO NEW PEOPLE. WE SHOULD NOT LET IT STOP WITH THAT. WE SHOULD EACH BEGIN TO PURSUE SOME OF THESE NEW RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE MADE HERE AND WE SHOULD ALL REALLY MAKE A COMMITMENT TO CARRY FORTH THE SPIRIT WE ALL FEEL RIGHT NOW AND KEEP THAT WITH US AND TRY TO BUILD ON IT EACH DAY.

SMITH: I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CONCERNED MEN. THEY'RE OVER HERE HUDDLING.

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SMITH: MAC ALSOBROOKS OR ERIC JOHNSON, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME OUT OF THIS EVENING? YOU'VE GOT SIX PEOPLE. DO YOU WANT MOER? WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU COMING OUT OF THIS EVEING? FOR THE FUTURE? WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT GO FROM HERE?

INTERVIEWEE: I THINK THAT A GOOD START HAS BEEN MADE AND THAT PEOPLE ARE BECOMING AWARE OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE. I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE CONTINUE COME TOGETHER AND SHOW LOVE AND CONCERN. LIKE MRS. THOMPSON IS DOING, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN ON THE PANEL WAS DOING. AND JUST BECOME MORE INVOLVED WITH KIDS-DON'T FEAR YOUR KIDS. LEARN TO LOVE AND HUG YOUR KIDS. LEARN TO GIVE THEM THE SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE THAT THEY NEED AND THAT THEY WANT. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, I THINK WE'LL ALL BE OK.

SMITH: TYRONE PARKER, HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? I WONDER IF YOU'D STAND.

PARKER: WELL, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN HERE TONIGHT. I COULD ONLY PRAY THAT THESE THINGS ARE MANIFESTED INTO REALITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN. I LOOK AT ANACOSTIA AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE INVOLVED I NAS HIDDEN TREASURES, TREASURES THAT NEED TO BE EXPOSED AND GIVEN OPPORTUNITY. AND IT JUST TAKES FOLK, COMMUNITY PERSONS SUCH AS YOU ARE TO TAKE A GENUINE COMMITMENT AND NOT LET THIS PASS INTO THE NEXT MORNING WITH NOTHING REALLY DONE, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALL HELP SHINE LIGHT AND HELP MAKE A CHANGE IN SOME KIDS LIVES THAT'S IN DESPERATE NEED OF IT.

IF YOU CAN-IF WE CAN GET YOUR SUPPORT, KEEP YOR COMMITMENT, GOD WILL SURELY SHOW US THE WAY ON THIS ONE HERE.

SMITH: THANK YOU.

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SMITH: WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE END. I KNOW JOHN MCLEAN IS HERE FROM THE BOARD FO TRADE SOMEWHERE. JOHN, I WONDER IF YOU WOULD SHARE WITH US-IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUN ITY AND YOUR GROUP-WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE COME OUT OF THIS EVENING AND CARRY ON?

MCLEAN: WELL, I THINK SOME OF IT HAS ALREADY STARTED. JIM JONES MENTIONED THE DIALOGUE THAT'S BEGUN IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND OUR ORGANIZATION THAT BEGAN THAT DIALOG A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO ABOUT THE KINDS OF THINGS THE BROADER BUSINESS COMMUNITY CAN DO TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'RE GOING TO BE LAUNCHING A PROJECT VERY SOON. MARSHALL HEIGHTS WILL BE ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH. AND THE IDEA IS EXACTLY WHAT ARRINGTON DIXON SAID. IT'S A BUSINESS TO BUSINESS HELPING-AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOIN TO TRY TO DO IS BRING OURT MEMBER BUSINESS RESOURCES TO HELP BUSINESSES IN THE INNER CITY GROW AND CREATE NEW JOBS.

SMITH: THANK YOU.

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SMITH: LET ME THANK-LET ME THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION TONIGHT. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS BEEN WITH US ALL THE WAY.

THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A REMARKABLE EVENING. REMARKABLE BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ANACOSTIA RIVER WANTED TO COME TOGETHER TO EXPLORE WAYS TO IMPROVE THE LIFE OF OUR COMMUNITY. TONIGHT WE'VE BEGUN TO CLOSE THE COMMUNICATION GAP THAT DIVIDES THIS CITY. WE'VE REACHED ACROSS THE BARRIER OF THE ANACOSTIA RIVER TO DO THE FUNDAMENTAL WORK OF ANY COMMUNITY, TALKING TOGETHER ABOUT OUR COMMON PROBLEMS.

WE ALL KNOW THE CITY HAS PROBLEMS. BUT INSTEAD OF DWELLING ON THE BUDGET CRISIS OR CRIME AND DRUGS, WE DEVOTED OUR DIALOGUE TO SEEKING COMMON GOALS, TO BUILDING BRIDGES AMONG PEOPEL FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, BUT THERE IS ALSO COMMON GROND. EVERYONE WANTS SAFER STREETS, HEALTHIER FAMILIES, EFFECTIVE SCHOOLS, STRONG COMMUNITIES. AND AS WE'VE SEEN, SOME PEOPLE ARE ALREADY MAKING A DIFFERENCE. OTHERS WANT TO HELP. PEOPLE FIOND STRENGTH IN WORKING TOGETHER AND THAT COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY MAY BE THE GREATEST RESOURCE OUR CITY HAS. WE JUST NEED TO FIND WAYS TO TAP IT MORE EFFECTIVELY. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE AHEAD OF US.

OUR THAKS TO THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TONIGHT, TO OUR LADY OF PERPETUAL HELP FOR HOSTING THIS DIALOGUE AND TO THE FUNDERS WHO MADE THIS BROADCAST POSSIBLE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I'M HEDRICK SMITH. GOODNIGHT.